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How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:43 am
by MrSneaky
Not sure how it happened but my humours are: BLOOD 25, PHLEGM 13, YELLOW 13, BLACK 18. Been making and eating/gluttony a steady diet of berry salad but for some reason my humours did not come out even. What did I do wrong how to best balance them?

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:46 am
by Nikixos
Well you are supposed to know how it happened because each ingredient gives different points when gobbled, look for any food information and it says when gobbled: And it says the numbers.
Each color represents the points it gives when gobbled. look for guides gluttony guides on youtube but i'm not sure if there is any updated guide out there..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bol10XMxJzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgYuFF6o3As

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:48 am
by trungdle
Gluttony points needed to increase a point is equal to the highest point you have, in your case 25, which is a watse when you want to raise your lowest point.
So try to raise them equally, most efficient.

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:54 am
by Nikixos
trungdle wrote:Gluttony points needed to increase a point is equal to the highest point you have, in your case 25, which is a watse when you want to raise your lowest point.
So try to raise them equally, most efficient.


Exactly, also if you only eat berry salad it doesn't means it will be balanced since you only raise 1 point each time you fill the bar

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:51 am
by CottonMather
Moved to help.

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:22 pm
by TotalyMeow
MrSneaky wrote:Not sure how it happened but my humours are: BLOOD 25, PHLEGM 13, YELLOW 13, BLACK 18. Been making and eating/gluttony a steady diet of berry salad but for some reason my humours did not come out even. What did I do wrong how to best balance them?




But guys, he's asking how to fix it.

It's true, if you eat only neutral things like Berry Salad or mixed ingredient variable food, your humors might become unbalanced. You're still low enough humors though that even if you have no base yet, you can fix this.

For your Berries group, you can Blackberries for BB, Huckleberries for YB, and Crowberries for Phlegm. Blackberries are easiest to find as the bushes are everywhere, so make some Berries on a Straw with them, and that will get you a little Black Bile, though not enough. You can also use that Berry Salad as a 'base' food to add to your bars; one won't put you over the top anymore.

For the Mushrooms, Lavender Blewits add to Phlegm and Sugar Caps add to both Phlegm and Black Bile so you can use it to help you with either stat. Shrooms on a Stick is a very simple recipe that will get you a good bit of bars still.

For your Nuts and Seeds group, Acorn does Phlegm, Pine does YB and Hickory does BB. The easiest thing to make is Autumn Delight, but Salty Nuts is also a great one.

For your Slugs and Bugs, Phlegm comes from Snails, YB comes from Grubs, and BB comes from Beetles. Grubs are super easy to find under boulders, just lift them up. Froghetti is super easy to make, and so is Virginian Shellroast if you have lots of snails. Three Virginians is also good, but it's another neutral recipe like the Berry Salad, so keep that in mind.

In your situation, to correct your problem, my suggestion is to make Froghetti from Grubs for your Yellow Bile. That will give you one point of Yellow Bile each session, but completely ruin your Slugs and Bugs so if you try any other bug foods, do those first. For your Phlegm, use an Autumn Delight made from Acorn, same situation as with the Froghetti though. For your Black Bile, do Blackberry Berry on a Straw, Sugar Cap Shroom on a Stick.

So, the simplest session for you to get balanced again would be to get Black Bile first each time using berries on a straw, shrooms on a stick and maybe a Berry Salad to put you over the top. I think you'd also be safe to use a hickory Salty Nuts or maybe a raw blackberry depending how your berry group is looking. Then, eat a single Grub Froghetti for your Yellow Bile and a single acorn Autumn Delight for your Phlegm. And then end your session. You should have only about a half hour or so to wait till you can do it again. Just keep going with the same foods until you've reached 25 Black Bile.

Then start experimenting with new foods, and have a look at the wikis. They're not completely accurate, but they tell you what you need to know about variable foods, at least. And a bit more about Gluttony.

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:47 pm
by lachlaan
TotalyMeow wrote:It's true, if you eat only neutral things like Berry Salad /snip/


You guys changed berry salad to now take ingredients and not be neutral :D

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:56 pm
by TotalyMeow
lachlaan wrote:
TotalyMeow wrote:It's true, if you eat only neutral things like Berry Salad /snip/


You guys changed berry salad to now take ingredients and not be neutral :D


Well, geez, so we did. It wasn't that way a couple days ago. You know how often John tells me about minipatches before he releases them? Rarely. :lol:

Edit: Forgot about Wild Salad, which is a nice newbie food in the Vegetables category. That one IS still neutral and thus good for topping off your bar if a humor didn't quite make it. Also try Green Seafood Salad in the Shellfish group.

All the foods I've recommended assume you're still wandering and have only basic cooking skills and aren't hunting much yet. You get so many more options when you unlock more skills and work more industries, but I think Gluttony should be practiced early; the very first thing you do while learning beginner skills.

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:41 pm
by Champie
TotalyMeow wrote:It's true, if you eat only neutral things like Berry Salad or mixed ingredient variable food, your humors might become unbalanced. You're still low enough humors though that even if you have no base yet, you can fix this.


It is my understanding, as well as my experience, that when you top off more than one humor simultaneously, the gobble point goes to the lowest humor. If this is true, as I have experienced, then neutral (generic) variable foods are one of the better ways to balance humors, especially if you are finding it difficult to find certain ingredients to make pure variable food recipes targeted to a specific humor.

I give some examples in this thread (was accidentally logged in on an alternate account at the time).

Re: How best balance humours?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:34 pm
by jophbot
Champie wrote:It is my understanding, as well as my experience, that when you top off more than one humor simultaneously, the gobble point goes to the lowest humor. If this is true, as I have experienced, then neutral (generic) variable foods are one of the better ways to balance humors, especially if you are finding it difficult to find certain ingredients to make pure variable food recipes targeted to a specific humor.


In a perfect world, yes, but the lower humour raising only happens when multiple bars are filled ... as there is an upper/lower limit on gluttony gain, using neutral food doesn't always fill every bar, so doesn't always work out as you'd think it should. Better to use neutral as a 'topper' with a targetted food as Meow suggested.