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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Syndarn » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:30 pm

TotalyMeow wrote:That article mentions that this psychologist violated professional ethics in his 'diagnosis' because it is impossible to correctly diagnose someone based on the face they show the world. Furthermore, did you read the paragraph about what symptoms supposedly support his diagnosis? It sounds like half the people on the internet, most of the people on TV/movies, and quite a few political figures. Like Darwoth points out, political and business leaders do tend to be sociopaths as that is the sort of personality that does well in those positions.


Yes, i am aware of that it's not exactly following good practice, but then again it's not like Trump is ever gonna take the test... I've been personally reading up on narcissism for a year or so because if find it interesting. And yeah you are right, most people fit this or that, that's why it's not easy to diagnose, especially covert narcissism. Trump is more overt, that means he is kinda authentically,honestly and openly himself so it's easier to see it, because it is more obvious.

And yeah.. Darwoth has a point that leaders, politicians and the like tend to be just that. I guess it's one reason why things are so soda up in the first place :(

I mean the people in leading positions should be doing things in best interest for the people, but how can they if they can't empathize and understand even their friends or family in the first place? And with that i mean.. imagine themselves how it might feel to be another person and be treated a certain way or lack something or go through something traumatic. They lack real empathy. They have plenty of cold empathy, but that's more of a predatory thing, like finding weaknesses in their prey etc.

Well who knows what all will come of this, i am pretty sure **** will hit the fan and hard.. but that's just me! :)
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby TotalyMeow » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:40 pm

Syndarn wrote:I mean the people in leading positions should be doing things in best interest for the people, but how can they if they can't empathize and understand even their friends or family in the first place? And with that i mean.. imagine themselves how it might feel to be another person and be treated a certain way or lack something or go through something traumatic. They lack real empathy. They have plenty of cold empathy, but that's more of a predatory thing, like finding weaknesses in their prey etc.

Well who knows what all will come of this, i am pretty sure **** will hit the fan and hard.. but that's just me! :)


This is getting a little off topic now, but you really have nothing to worry about here. Trump is no more a sociopath than Obama was. And really, Obama is very narcissistic himself. Just look at the guy, still trying to be in the public eye, giving press conferences about his views of Trump. Traditionally, presidents who finish their term have stayed out of it after that, but not this guy. We survived Obama's idiocies and we'll survive Trump's.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Darwoth » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:07 pm

syndarn is the guy a few days ago that was preaching holding hands with terrorists, everyone that makes a dirty face is a twisted and sinister individual to him.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:34 am

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TotalyMeow wrote:Yeah, the implementation of this was completely ham-handed in so many ways. :roll:


I agree with Darwoth on this one. The clumsy roll-out was intentional. The goal was to pander to the base, incite the left, and get certain congressional GOP members to stand up and protest, and then take a PR hit. Bannon is a bomb-throwing troll, nothing more.


This is not the case. The people who this most pissed off were Mattis, Kelly and Congressional leaders. Mattis and Kelly apparently had no input on it and were pissed as hell that it went out without any input. Rep Congressional leaders were also suuuuper pissed as several of their aides were asked to help write it and then forced to sign non-disclosure letters and promise not to tell their employers in congress. Bob Corker (R) Tennessee (head of the judiciary committee) was apparently screaming at his staff and demoted 2 of them for their actions. Other committee members and committee heads were angry as hell at Trump, Bannon and Miller. This eventually comes back to haunt them and was a ludicrous roll out that just shows how amateur they are.

Syndarn wrote:Ok so 60% of Americans favor trump.. great! ... that means the rest, the 40%... 130 million hate him. Thank god it's just 130 million .. would have been so much worse if it was 60% that hated him.. that'd be 195 million!

i think ur good! no division in America! :lol:


I don't know where you got these numbers. Trump has dropped into the low 40's, high 30's for approval and has reached 50%+ disapproval faster than any president in the history of polling.

Dallane wrote:The dumb ***** protesting are a extremely small number of americans.


Nope, largest mass protests since the Vietnam war. Nationwide it was 2.5-3.5 million protesting on the Saturday after the inaugumation that's more than 1 in every 100 adult Americans in the streets for the Women's march.

There is no poll in this universe or dimension that has ever had Trump at 60% approval rating. He's below 40% already with greater than 50% disapproval which Obama never had anything close to.

TotalyMeow wrote:This is getting a little off topic now, but you really have nothing to worry about here. Trump is no more a sociopath than Obama was. And really, Obama is very narcissistic himself. Just look at the guy, still trying to be in the public eye, giving press conferences about his views of Trump. Traditionally, presidents who finish their term have stayed out of it after that, but not this guy. We survived Obama's idiocies and we'll survive Trump's.


This is the silliest thing you have ever said. There is absolutely no comparison between Trump's sense of needy grandiosity and Obama's cool demeanor. Obama disagreeing with the Muslim Ban is not him seeking the stage. He gave a quick Q and A and a paragraph press release. Since Obama is so much younger than either Clinton, Bush 2 or Bush 1, I'd expect him to stay in the conversation for awhile.

...and Trump IS most definitely insane, there's no question of that anymore.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby TotalyMeow » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:05 am

Claeyt wrote:Trump has dropped into the low 40's, high 30's for approval and has reached 50%+ disapproval faster than any president in the history of polling.
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Nope, largest mass protests since the Vietnam war. Nationwide it was 2.5-3.5 million protesting on the Saturday after the inaugumation that's more than 1 in every 100 adult Americans in the streets for the Women's march.

There is no poll in this universe or dimension that has ever had Trump at 60% approval rating. He's below 40% already with greater than 50% disapproval which Obama never had anything close to.


So long as we're not citing sources, the poll I saw had his approval rating higher than ever and way over 60%. You know, where you do your poll can make a big difference, I'm guessing the one you cite was done in NY City or LA, heavily Democratic areas.

And since when is the Women's March an anti-Trump march? Sure, it was a fiasco with 90% of the women there seeming to have no idea what they were gathering to protest, if anything. Some of them seemed to be protesting in favor of killing their unborn young, some still believe in the myth of the wage gap, quite a few just wanted to be obscene about their genitals for some reason, but when asked in an interview I saw, most of them couldn't even articulate why they were there. So if they were going for anti-Trump, they bombed. They also made conservative women completely unwelcome which even further muddies the issues since plenty of conservative women are against Trump if that was actually the reason for the march and pretty much all conservative women are women, which is the stated reason for the march.

Claeyt wrote:There is absolutely no comparison between Trump's sense of needy grandiosity and Obama's cool demeanor.


Hah, you crack me up. Shall we do a compilation of all the times Obama ignored his job in order to tell jokes on Jimmy Fallon or whatever shows he use to frequent? Shall we make a list of times he was a crazy narcissist?
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:18 am

TotalyMeow wrote:So long as we're not citing sources, the poll I saw had his approval rating higher than ever and way over 60%. You know, where you do your poll can make a big difference, I'm guessing the one you cite was done in NY City or LA, heavily Democratic areas.


Are you guys stupid. WTF poll are you guys citing.

Trump has never had 60% approval in any national poll anywhere. In fact, I don't think he's actually ever broken 50%. He of course lost the election by 2 pts.

Gallup has him at 45% in the first week and above 50% disapproval. Highest ever for first week.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-tr ... ion-234048

Quinnapiac has him at 36% approval in his first week. He's a full 20 pts lower than either Obama or Clinton in their first week, and also well behind Bush 2.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-tr ... oll-234225

You guys are idiots if you think he has any support whatsoever in this country beyond his base since the inauguration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... 91ea7a0afd
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Syndarn » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:26 pm

Claeyt wrote:I don't know where you got these numbers. Trump has dropped into the low 40's, high 30's for approval and has reached 50%+ disapproval faster than any president in the history of polling.


I didn't use any numbers at the start.. just left it open, because i don't really know... i just know that you guys are very divided. Only number i posted was that there is like 325m ppl in the US. Many people don't go out and protest, but that doesn't mean they don't hate him if they don't yet. I just went with whatever Dallane provided, because it doesn't matter if it's 40 or 60% it's still a hell of a lot of people that are displeased and tired and everything trump does goes against their worldview. They are not gonna take it for very long.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Dallane » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:44 pm

lol look at clay hiding facts again.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Claeyt » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:42 pm

Dallane wrote:lol look at clay hiding facts again.

hiding facts? what facts am I hiding? I just posted 2 polls from this last week from 2 of the largest polling companies on the planet. How is that not a fact that he's down in the polls and underwater on one of them.
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Re: Our new President is a piss soaked Russian double agent

Postby Darwoth » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:11 pm

you mean the same polls that said he was going to lose horribly to clinton for six months?

after a year and a half of race baiting and inciting riots around the country everytime a black criminal got shot by a cop then came the election where the media ***** went so far over the top with the fake news they lost any pretense of objectivity and as a result there are a lot more people now than there were pre election that completely disregard leftist propaganda outlets like those you constantly link to and reference.
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