Why is there so few people playing the game? - Moved

[darnokpl]

My town was opened to newbies too.

and they shall experience what oin went thru and may quit the game?

You really hate me, how nice, now I know you are stax media puppet

Back to topic...
You forgot very important thing Tonky they weren't part of my town only nearby camp and that is huge difference when you need to judge and act.
And yes if newbies inside my town would be thieves or would hide any then yes I would punish them by myself too.

I have no ***** idea that Drevin was going to tresspass and steal. I found out about it and told him he was no longer welcome in our village.

You should talk with citizens of my town, there was no thieves inside even we had ~20 people.
Town with good leadership and organization can solve problems like this on it's own, before someone outside will "try to help".

[Tonkyhonk]

You really hate me, how nice, now I know you are stax media puppet

stax is not my friend, but he is friendly to me. does that makes me his media puppet?
you always have to blame something else than yourself for whatever faults you have.
and you are not worth my hate, either.

You forgot very important thing Tonky they weren't part of my town only nearby camp and that is huge difference when you need to judge and act.
And yes if newbies inside my town would be thieves or would hide any then yes I would punish them by myself too.

I have no ***** idea that Drevin was going to tresspass and steal. I found out about it and told him he was no longer welcome in our village.

You should talk with citizens of my town, there was no thieves inside even we had ~20 people.
Town with good leadership and organization can solve problems like this on it's own, before someone outside will "try to help".

you failed your politics, didnt solve that problem but just wiped them away and that was "your" solution
he mentioned not wanting to come back to the game for a while. he had probably considered you as a friend who was offering to "help" but you didnt even ask him before murdering him for Drevin's crime which happened without him knowing so.
yet, you are asking for non-perma death because you killed him not just the criminal? lol dont make me laugh any more. or are you finally sorry that you killed an innocent new player now?

[darnokpl]

you failed your politics, didnt solve that problem but just wiped them away and that was "your" solution

Please read again what I said and don't twist it. They weren't part of my town and were considered as thief camp back then.
Solution in perma death to thieves it DEATH and it was solved by us, we didn't asked anyone else to get involved?

he mentioned not wanting to come back to the game for a while. he had probably considered you as a friend who was offering to "help" but you didnt even ask him before murdering him for Drevin's crime which happened without him knowing so.

I killed 1 thief and 1 innocent, that is true, but you forgot that there were 7 people in that camp and other 5 were not harmed.
Well your friends destroyed whole town for one spy crimes I am sure that every citizen was aware about that spy

yet, you are asking for non-perma death because you killed him not just the criminal? lol dont make me laugh any more. or are you finally sorry that you killed an innocent new player now?

I am asking to non-pvp server (but with tresspass and larceny) for people like Oin, he was new and didn't knew pvp rules of this game.
His town could be great, but he didn't had time to learn how to manage skills, stats, walls, braziers and people he had in camp.
It require a lot of time to learn those things and non-pvp solution is perfect for people like him,
of course after they learn all that they can go to pvp-server and enjoy real Salem.

[_Gunnar]

Just to say, one problem that perhaps people don't see is that drama is only fun/interesting when its between two approximately equal groups, or when a weaker group wins. So tax collecting or killing newbies who step off boston claim just makes people quit and think there is no point playing, since the game is full of griefers, but if I die because of a feud I'm having in game with people who I think I still have a chance of beating, I'm much more likely to come back and play even more.

From conversations on IRC, it seems that in some cases the stronger parties (tax collectors) also get bored of their newb-hunting. Perhaps it would be more fun for everyone, including themselves, if players like that went after "meatier" targets.

I don't really know what is wrong with the community here, but it seems like a lot of you have forgotten how to have fun in the game, and are just sitting tight in impenetrable fortresses, never taking any real risks and destroying the work of newer players in a way that - sorry, but its true - really does just make you arseholes.

[Tonkyhonk]

Solution in perma death to thieves it DEATH and it was solved by us, we didn't asked anyone else to get involved?

so, how are you going to deal with "thief with others" camp when there is NO DEATH? live happily ever after?

I killed 1 thief and 1 innocent, that is true, but you forgot that there were 7 people in that camp and other 5 were not harmed.
Well your friends destroyed whole town for one spy crimes I am sure that every citizen was aware about that spy

my friends? who?
ive seen oin's vid. it was just that other 5 were not online nor had left any scents and you couldnt even if you wanted.
it is probably easy to guess they could have been murdered by you if they actually did log in when you were around.
the point is that you never talked about the incident with oin and just executed a wrong guy in the process.
so you want the game mechanics to stop you cause you cant help yourself using that feature when available?

I am asking to non-pvp server (but with tresspass and larceny) for people like Oin, he was new and didn't knew pvp rules of this game.
His town could be great, but he didn't had time to learn how to manage skills, stats, walls, braziers and people he had in camp.
It require a lot of time to learn those things and non-pvp solution is perfect for people like him,
of course after they learn all that they can go to pvp-server and enjoy real Salem.

you dont have to kill the innocent in case you didnt know. you could also try to protect new players if you so wish.
but you dont choose that and instead asking devs to have non pvp server.
the important thing is to have as many options to choose from. just because you cannot choose the right option doesnt mean newbs should be locked in non-pvp server.

[Pjotr84]

I don't really know what is wrong with the community here, but it seems like a lot of you have forgotten how to have fun in the game, and are just sitting tight in impenetrable fortresses, never taking any real risks and destroying the work of newer players in a way that - sorry, but its true - really does just make you arseholes.

That's how I feel about this whole noob hunting as well. Where's the challenge in that? It only makes even more new players quit after a few hours of playing.

[Tonkyhonk]

I don't really know what is wrong with the community here, but it seems like a lot of you have forgotten how to have fun in the game, and are just sitting tight in impenetrable fortresses, never taking any real risks and destroying the work of newer players in a way that - sorry, but its true - really does just make you arseholes.

That's how I feel about this whole noob hunting as well. Where's the challenge in that? It only makes even more new players quit after a few hours of playing.

and half of those who are screaming the game to be boring (and asking for non-perma death) are those who raid or kill newbs lol

[darnokpl]

and half of those who are screaming the game to be boring (and asking for non-perma death) are those who raid or kill newbs lol

I am asking for choice, try to imagine that. And please stop lie about what I did.

Solution in perma death to thieves it DEATH and it was solved by us, we didn't asked anyone else to get involved?

so, how are you going to deal with "thief with others" camp when there is NO DEATH? live happily ever after?

Exile is solution for towns or camps in non-pvp server. Remember you can always KO thief and destroying leanto on your own claim does not require waste.

my friends? who?

We all know who you are defending

ive seen oin's vid. it was just that other 5 were not online nor had left any scents and you couldnt even if you wanted.
it is probably easy to guess they could have been murdered by you if they actually did log in when you were around.
the point is that you never talked about the incident with oin and just executed a wrong guy in the process.
so you want the game mechanics to stop you cause you cant help yourself using that feature when available?

What are you talking about?
If you seen vid you seen I was alone there!
I never talked about incident what?
Nope we executed right guy... the thief... and Oin was stax friend (he confirmed it on IRC, stax told him to login then, for me staxs friends are not innocent)

I want mechanics to stop chiefs like people.

Oins friends are still in game btw, I think he didn't liked rage he caused and stax group trolling, not dying itself,
but if you suggest that his death scared him away from salem then you should agree with my idea or give better one?

[Tonkyhonk]

1. you arent asking for choice, you are asking for a different game cause you already have the choice, to kill or not to kill.
2. exile where and how? they can always come back and you cant stop them coming back to rob you again.
3. who are "we" that know whomever im defending? im only pointing out your faults and not defending anyone here. and again, if you think im defending stax or dallane, they are not my friends. we do talk in friendly terms, but that doesnt make us friends, does it?
4. ha ha, your "friend" talk is getting really ridiculous.
5. then try and stop chief yourself? im pretty sure non pvp server will have worse players than chief and you cant do anything to them. and you believe griefers cant do anything in non pvp server because you arent "creative" enough and you dont realize that.
6. do Oins friends matter here? no. i dont even know who this person you particularly talking is.
7. his shock from the incident is not only murder itself, but "you" tricking him (even with the debuff ko) and making him feel deceived by you for not even trying to work it out by talking first.

you still dont understand the heart of this talk. you should be ashamed of yourself.

[darnokpl]

1. you arent asking for choice, you are asking for a different game cause you already have the choice, to kill or not to kill.

Explain how asking for 2 servers pvp and non-pvp is not asking for choice, please.

2. exile where and how? they can always come back and you cant stop them coming back to rob you again.

If thief is member of your town you can (on non-pvp option) declaim his personal claim, claim his plot/area,
destroy leanto and summon kill him if you got larceny scents!

If you don't have scents you can KO him on your claim and send to boston (after destroying his leanto)
it will take while for him, to come back and talking **** under your walls coz he couldn't do anything else!

3. who are "we" that know whomever im defending? im only pointing out your faults and not defending anyone here. and again, if you think im defending stax or dallane, they are not my friends. we do talk in friendly terms, but that doesnt make us friends, does it?
4. ha ha, your "friend" talk is getting really ridiculous.

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5. then try and stop chief yourself? im pretty sure non pvp server will have worse players than chief and you cant do anything to them. and you believe griefers cant do anything in non pvp server because you arent "creative" enough and you dont realize that.

I am trying, but you don't like it and you are trying to use only sin I made in this game as argument that I can not be trusted.

6. do Oins friends matter here? no. i dont even know who this person you particularly talking is.

ive seen oin's vid. it was just that other 5 were not online nor had left any scents and you couldnt even if you wanted.
it is[b] probably easy to guess they[/b] could have been murdered by you if they actually did log in when you were around.

If they doesn't, why you mention them?
Please be consistent.

7. his shock from the incident is not only murder itself, but "you" tricking him (even with the debuff ko) and making him feel deceived by you for not even trying to work it out by talking first.

you still dont understand the heart of this talk. you should be ashamed of yourself.

Try imagine my shock after my trust for them all were on level to invite them to my town and few days later I heard about thief or thieves among them?

And yes we talked about it and they said that Oin is leveling up murder from monday and I killed him on sunday,
now you get it why I didn't wanted to fight on his claim inside his town in darkness, that even pros with 100 humors are scared of?

EDIT: As for debuff ko, you should learn more about art of fighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ycw0d_Uow