today two muslims killed a dozen french folks

[Kandarim]

Omg this thread! I agree with Darwoth. Guns are not all that bad. My dad taught us what we needed to know and my younger brother was the one who hunted with him and now teaches his daughter about the usage and safety of guns. I hate hearing about such reckless hate. If you actually look at the amount of guns that people own versus the amount of shootings then I would say that the US is far better off. Just my opinion.

Far better off how? Our murder rate per-capita is 5x that of France, 6x that of Germany and is the highest in the industrialized world.

Good job expressly ignoring her statement.

[Dallane]

I would love to see this **** go down in my area. Those 2 ***** would of been down for the count really fast.

[Leel]

I'm german in paris. It's all bec. someone bombed a kebab shop!

(Reuters) - An explosion rocked a kebab shop next to a mosque in Villefrance-sur-Saone in eastern France early on Thursday morning, a police source told Reuters.

[Hose]

pls tell me that ali survived (((

[Argentis]

As French I jsut want to weigh in my opinion.

Yes it's a tragedy what happened at Charlie Hebdo.
Yes we, simple citizens, don't have the right to own a gun.
Maybe if we had, people would have shot back and killed the two psychopaths.

But if we had the right to carry a weapon, maybe there would be dozens more terrorist attacks like this one because ti would be easy to buy a gun and go on a rampage.
I'm not in favor for free circulation of weapons. I'm not in favor for banning them completely either. We need to have balance here.
Some people shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons end of story. And by some people I mean (exhaustive list):
-Religious Extremists (Muslims here but could be K- hum- Christians, Buddhists, etc..)
-Atheists Extremists (because any extremist is as bad as the next and as much as I hate extremist proselytism, I don't want any churches or mosques to get bombed).
-Psychopaths (let's do a psych eval to determine if you as an individual are allowed to carry a weapon)
-Criminals (if you've been in jail no matter for what crime go ***** yourself with a gun you will never own)
-Idiots (for obvious reasons but to determine if you are an idiot or not is very subjective and the IQ test doesn't truly determine who is intelligent and who isn't)

Also to obtain the right to have a gun you should at least:
-Pass a psych eval (as stated above, to see if you are mentally fit to not go on a rampage)
-Pass a test determining your ability to handle this gun properly (that means taking lessons in a shooting range in the same fashion as you train for your driving license)
-Pass a medical eval (hey maybe you are blind and you don't know it)
-Prove your need (You may want on for recreational purposes, sport, to defend yourself (in which case a stun gun would probably be more appropriate because you don't want to be a murderer)
-Register into a national (or international but I don't think we have the resources or the willingness to enter into international agreements with all countries in the world) data bank (referencing your DNA, prints, serial number of your weapon(s) so as, if you commit a crime, to ***** you up) and that registration should be made wether you got the right to carry a gun or you got refused in the end (so as to track people buying illegal merchandise).

My point is that we shouldn't neglectfully allow everyone to have a gun or we run into the risk to have shootings everywhere as it happens in the US. I've lived there for 10 months and in 10 months there has been three shootings in my vicinity (roughly 50km (30miles for imperialists) and one of which was fatal (a kid carrying a bbgun was shot down by the police in Santa Rosa. 13yo kid with a toy gun was shot in the back by the police. FFS). And some of you may say but you lived in a rough neighborhood. No I wasn't unless you consider Northern California and the Nappa Valley a rough neighborhood.). We need gun control to avoid that. If policemen were more confident in who has the right to carry a gun then they probably wouldn't fear as much for their lives. And perhaps the people who needs protection can have it.

Turned into a bit of a rant but I hope you see some sense in what I wrote.
I remain at your disposal to answer any comments you may have.

[JohnCarver]

Yes we, simple citizens, don't have the right to own a gun.

Stopped reading here.

Simply makes me sad.

[Argentis]

Read the rest my introduction is quite ****** ;p

[JohnCarver]

-Prove your need

Tried again.

Kept getting sad.

Clearly every one of the deceased 'needed' it. Guns are one of those things you simply do not 'need' until the exact moment that you do, and then, when you find yourself without one you may never find yourself again. Trying to make people prove they 'need' a gun would be like trying to force people to prove they 'need' a helmet when riding a motorcycle. Surely if everybody were to stay in their lanes and you were to drive super careful you would never crash, thus never 'need' the helmet. We are not talking about those times though. I find it a bit silly that plenty of societies will force you to wear said helmet, even if you can prove that you are only riding for recreational use on private lands and can prove you in fact do NOT need the helmet. Meanwhile, when it comes to guns which in the same rare circumstances could save your life you all of a sudden have to prove why you can have one. I believe we should be grown ups and realize we don't live in a world where every car is going to stay in their lane, nor do we live in a world where every human is going to be void of violent action.

[Argentis]

-Prove your need

Tried again.

Kept getting sad.

Clearly every one of the deceased 'needed' it. Guns are one of those things you simply do not 'need' until the exact moment that you do, and then, when you find yourself without one you may never find yourself again. Trying to make people prove they 'need' a gun would be like trying to force people to prove they 'need' a helmet when riding a motorcycle. Surely if everybody were to stay in their lanes and you were to drive super careful you would never crash, thus never 'need' the helmet. We are not talking about those times though. I find it a bit silly that plenty of societies will force you to wear said helmet, even if you can prove that you are only riding for recreational use on private lands and can prove you in fact do NOT need the helmet. Meanwhile, when it comes to guns which in the same rare circumstances could save your life you all of a sudden have to prove why you can have one. I believe we should be grown ups and realize we don't live in a world where every car is going to stay in their lane, nor do we live in a world where every human is going to be void of violent action.

By Prove the need i meant more of a written statement that you give explaining the reasons why you want a gun. Just another document that can be used against criminals if they misuse guns.
As your other points if you drive super carefully, even in that case, you are never completely safe, another driver may not respect the law and just ran you over. And even with all the carefulness in the world, soemtimes you can't avoid the accident. Very similar to the need of a gun in a life threatening scenario. Sure it will probably never happen in your life but you want a gun in case you are attacked. Fine, I'm not against gun ownership. I'm against free circulation of guns. Guns shouldn't be free of regulations (or almost free). In some US states you can just enter a gunshop and exit with a gun. I don't think that it is a good idea.

[RuneNL]

Guns for protection sounds logical, however I do not trust another with a gun.
Someone attacks you with their fists = large chance on survival and decent chance to defend yourself depending on the number of assailants.
Someone attacks you with a knife or bat = you will likely end up in the hospital but you still have a higher chance to live then getting shot. Most knife attacks are one or two stabs.
Someone attacks you with a pistol = large chance you wont survive, surely hospitalized otherwise.
Someone attacks you with a shotgun = dead.
Someone attacks you with an assault rifle = dead

Also, you can outrun fists, knives, bats etc...
Try to outrun a bullet.

Bottom line, make guns available and they will be in the hands of people that want to kill.