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[Inotdead]

Man it sure would be nice to be young and idealistic again.

[Paradoxyc]

Man it sure would be nice to be young and idealistic again.

It's not just being idealistic, it's the law, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it's the reason we have terrorist "watch" lists, not terrorist "exile" lists or terrorist "detain" lists

[AcidSpiral]

If someone wishes to come here for safety so that their family is not in danger then they should be allowed to - if there needs to be investigation done then so be it, but we should make it fast because the problems in Syria are growing.

As I said before, innocent until proven guilty - unless the person in question has said "I want to kill people" or has any other questionable reason to not be let in, then they are innocent and should be innocent unless proven otherwise, case closed

How though do you effectively do background checks on people who come from countries so torn apart by war that legitimate record keeping is all but nonexistant? Terrorist organizations like ISIS train their "agents" for lack of a better word well enough to fool most people into thinking they're ordinary peaceful people until the time comes that they blow someone up.

[Dallane]

Man it sure would be nice to be young and idealistic again.

It's not just being idealistic, it's the law, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it's the reason we have terrorist "watch" lists, not terrorist "exile" lists or terrorist "detain" lists

Law says that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, unfortunately that isn't how it works out. The terrorist watch list is arbitrary with almost zero thought as to who gets on it. Did you know that air marshals have been putting people on this watch list as a way to fill their quota? Check out what a SDR is.

[Paradoxyc]

Man it sure would be nice to be young and idealistic again.

It's not just being idealistic, it's the law, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it's the reason we have terrorist "watch" lists, not terrorist "exile" lists or terrorist "detain" lists

Law says that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, unfortunately that isn't how it works out. The terrorist watch list is arbitrary with almost zero thought as to who gets on it. Did you know that air marshals have been putting people on this watch list as a way to fill their quota? Check out what a SDR is.

I'm sure the system is corrupt and I know it has its issues, but either way I can't find a reason to punish thousands of people for the disgusting and inhumane acts of a select few radical and mentally ill Islamic people. There needs to be an approach that helps people and doesn't simply turn them away because of their religion, where they could very well be killed in their native country

[Dallane]

There needs to be an approach that helps people and doesn't simply turn them away because of their religion, where they could very well be killed in their native country

Maybe they could find a way to be strong enough to take back their country. You know only 30ish years ago the middle east was a amazing place to live for them.

[Inotdead]

It's not just being idealistic, it's the law, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it's the reason we have terrorist "watch" lists, not terrorist "exile" lists or terrorist "detain" lists

But that is being idealistic.
Realistically one would want to prevent damage before it's done, by any means necessary, because finding who was guilty and extorting justice is fine and all, but it won't help the victims by any means other then fulfilling their feeling of vindication.
Or may be it's just me

I think in the end it all boils down to personal feelings on the matter.
You say that helping those in need should take priority above other factors, and that's fine, I can see where you are coming from.
I myself, however, and some other people in this thread think that the government should place security of its established population before noble deeds, and ensure through thorough checks that as few people with malicious intent come through as possible, even if that means denying help and asylum to some innocents in the process.

[Paradoxyc]

There needs to be an approach that helps people and doesn't simply turn them away because of their religion, where they could very well be killed in their native country

Maybe they could find a way to be strong enough to take back their country. You know only 30ish years ago the middle east was a amazing place to live for them.

They apparently think their country/region is ***** which it very well may be. We should embrace them and if any of them turn against us then we will prosecute those ones mercilessly.

[Paradoxyc]

It's not just being idealistic, it's the law, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it's the reason we have terrorist "watch" lists, not terrorist "exile" lists or terrorist "detain" lists

But that is being idealistic.
Realistically one would want to prevent damage before it's done, by any means necessary, because finding who was guilty and extorting justice is fine and all, but it won't help the victims by any means other then fulfilling their feeling of vindication.
Or may be it's just me

I think in the end it all boils down to personal feelings on the matter.
You say that helping those in need should take priority above other factors, and that's fine, I can see where you are coming from.
I myself, however, and some other people in this thread think that the government should place security of its established population before noble deeds, and ensure through thorough checks that as few people with malicious intent come through as possible, even if that means denying help and asylum to some innocents in the process.

You are correct and I fully agree with you, but I think that Americans should want to help others and give them a chance at a new life. Especially because that is what our country was founded upon

[TotalyMeow]

unless the person in question has said "I want to kill people" or has any other questionable reason to not be let in

What the hell do you think the background checks I'm talking about here are checking for?? The whole problem is that we don't have the resources to do these checks right now on the large numbers of people we are letting come in from that region.