I'm Back From Eternal Exile In the Black Desert of Despair!

[Darwoth]

the reason claeyt and other liberals scream and moan about the ku klux klan is because in the mid 20s there were approximately 7 million members and if they go far enough back they can always find someones great grandfather or third uncle that "was a kkk member!!!" in an effort to discredit them, unfortunately for claeyt nobody gives a **** about such irrelevant trivialities this time.

combine this with the fact that there is no longer a kkk presence beyond a few disorganized pretenders and has not been for decades it makes for an easy to defeat phantom opponent which is what liberals like.

additionally they love to piss and moan about "the kkk" to try obscuring fact and distance themselves from the fact that the democrats formed and founded the kkk with the intention of destabilizing the republican state governments during the reconstruction era, hilariously this is also when democrats came out with the first "jim crow" laws that they like to sensationalize about, which at the time were gun control regulations......

[Claeyt]

Ted Cruz just called Trump a 'Sniveling Coward' after trump tweeted a picture of Cruz's wife next to his and hinted that Cruz's wife is ugly.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-quick-cuts/w ... 1690051905

So presidential.

Donald's tweet:



Are you sure you don't think this guy is misogynistic Tmeow?

the reason claeyt and other liberals scream and moan about the ku klux klan is because in the mid 20s there were approximately 7 million members and if they go far enough back they can always find someones great grandfather or third uncle that "was a kkk member!!!" in an effort to discredit them, unfortunately for claeyt nobody gives a **** about such irrelevant trivialities this time.

combine this with the fact that there is no longer a kkk presence beyond a few disorganized pretenders and has not been for decades it makes for an easy to defeat phantom opponent which is what liberals like.

additionally they love to piss and moan about "the kkk" to try obscuring fact and distance themselves from the fact that the democrats formed and founded the kkk with the intention of destabilizing the republican state governments during the reconstruction era, hilariously this is also when democrats came out with the first "jim crow" laws that they like to sensationalize about, which at the time were gun control regulations......

Luckily our country has moved past all this racist nonsense and the KKK and organized hate groups no longer exist!

[Darwoth]

well the current biggest racist hate group is the newest group of liberal funded provocateurs, they are called "black lives matter" and go around rioting and making fools of themselves wherever they find white people willing to tolerate their *****.

additionally i found trumps picture to be hilarious and a justified retort to the cruz camp trying to dig dirt onto his wife as i did his barking dog hillary clinton ad, dont really give a ***** if it is "presidential" or not, that has long since ceased to mean anything since the first day obama was allowed to defame the position.

[Darwoth]

AND THE WALL GROWS! Why are we building trumps wall with text instead of bricks and on the internet instead of the Mexican border?
Seriously though, apparently the proposed wall would cost about double Trumps highest cost estimate. Oh and there is no way he can make Mexico pay for it, and such a wall would be about as useful as our current set up. Basically it would be another of Trumps vaguely phalic objects, laying limp across the southern end of the US.

actually there are a number of ways to force mexico to pay for the wall either directly or indirectly, the cost of the wall would be miniscule and the reason the absurd price quotes continue to grow with every retelling is because the left want to demonstrate how "impossible" of a cost it is and as such would never happen

there are several mile stretches of wall along the border near hotspots already, they consist of metal sheets welded to giant i beams stuck in the ground and a two lane border patrol road behind them with moton sensors and cameras and this basic rudimentary setup works quite well.

however if one wanted to upgrade for the sake of making america great again the big 12 foot high concrete walls that one sees on either side of a major highway costs approximately 1 million dollars per mile, which would be less than two billion for the entire border


of course none of that actually matters, what does matter is that someone is finally breaking the politically correct silence and speaking up about why we indeed just might want a wall and should consider building one. whether it comes to fruition is irrelevant. the fact he said it in the first place is what matters and why people support him.

[Claeyt]

that has long since ceased to mean anything since the first day obama was allowed to defame the position.

How exactly has Obama "defamed the position"?

Both Darwoth and Tmeow have said he's been a horrible president. Am I missing something?

The one thing I never understand about Obama haters is how they think he's somehow the worst President we've ever had and how he's somehow **** all over the White House.

Just basic facts about his term contradict everything they say.

1. He hasn't gotten us into any ground wars.
2. When he took over, the economy was in shambles and we've seen steady growth if not 90's growth ever since.
3. He's actually CUT the budget and slowed the deficit more than Bush did with the republican congress.
4. He hasn't embarrassed us internationally like Bush did occasionally with his gaffes.
5. He seems like a good husband and father in general and there have been zero sex scandals from anyone in his administration.
6. He's had the absolute least amount of scandals of any President we've had over the last 50 years besides maybe Carter (no Watergate, or pardon of Nixon, or Iran Contra, or Sex Scandal, or the congressional scandals and torture under Bush)
7. He's had the least amount of people who work for him deposed, questioned, charged, tried or anything else criminally. He's run one of the cleanest presidencies ever. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Hillary's non-scandal about her emails and the ATF thing where they lost some guns they sold to a Mexican cartel and neither one lead to any criminal charges (yet). It still makes his the cleanest presidency in my lifetime (besides maybe Carter).

Edit: I forgot about the supposed intentional targeting by the IRS of TEA party groups who declared themselves tax exempt organizations back in 2011 that the Republican congress held hearings about and then dropped.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... nistration

So why or how exactly can conservatives like Tmeow and Darwoth hate him as president so much or say he's corrupt? It just seems stupid and partisan.

New York Times columnist David Brooks, a center-right pundit, highlighted a notable exception.

“I have my disagreements, say, with President Obama, but President Obama has run an amazingly scandal-free administration, not only he himself, but the people around him. He’s chosen people who have been pretty scandal-free.

“And so there are people in Washington who do set a standard of integrity, who do seem to attract people of quality.”

[Lazun123]

The reason why it matters what trump is saying about race, KKK, women ecs. The president is to not only represent the majority, but also be a defense for the minority, so that they do not become subject to abuse by the majority.

They have to be able to use judgment calls for the good of the country and all its citizens, not just their supporters.

Trump is doing the contrary, he is dividing the country, he is inciting violence and violence has already happened due to his politics and ideas. When a political movement that openly declares a minority is sub-human, then of course you need to distance yourself from that, to not due so, and not have a problem with that is beyond stupid. So yes it is a big deal he hasn't denounced the support of the KKK or members.

This is when i say, people need to get the ***** out more and meet more people, from different walks of life, and not your single raced family's in your mono colored community. The beauty of California, NY and one of the reasons they tend to be liberal (in my opinion) is they have exposure to all walks of life. Helps us see people as people and have a understanding of, "yeah that **** is moral ***** up and raciest." Instead of, "sure he singles out races, but hes not a raciest." response.

Immigration itself is such a stupid non issues to hate drive people away from the real issues of our country.

Part of my job is to find financing for large loans, i can tell you from my experience is the people i have experienced that have abused the social system more were white, not Mexican or blacks.

What i have seen from undocumented Mexicans, is there working slave wages for hours and hours, and cant get a loan due to no social.

I delt with a family 4 months ago, white, mother and father moved from down south, mother was on 100% disability claimed all three children all under 17 were disabled. Father was trying to get it but the judge said no and were trying to appeal it. Im not a physician, but none of the kids seemed injured or disabled, one of them was going skateboarding after. Total combined income was 6000 a month gross. 72,000 a year of just pure abuse to the system. Again, i work with banks and finance, the BIGGEST abusers of the system are people who are born here, who know the ins and outs and how to manipulate the social programs. This thing of "immigrants are leaching off the system." is beyond stupid.

As for the Syrian refuges, they were cought in a power struggle between the US and Russia, taking in those refuges helps the US in the long run, not doing to means they die, or join the enemy, in either cases it is worst for the US and its allies.

[Claeyt]

however if one wanted to upgrade for the sake of making america great again the big 12 foot high concrete walls that one sees on either side of a major highway costs approximately 1 million dollars per mile, which would be less than two billion for the entire border

of course none of that actually matters, what does matter is that someone is finally breaking the politically correct silence and speaking up about why we indeed just might want a wall and should consider building one. whether it comes to fruition is irrelevant. the fact he said it in the first place is what matters and why people support him.

There is absolutely no way to get Mexico to pay 2 billion dollars for a wall we don't need unless we dropped out of NAFTA and went into a trade war with them.

additionally i found trumps picture to be hilarious and a justified retort to the cruz camp trying to dig dirt onto his wife as i did his barking dog hillary clinton ad

Such a gentleman.

[saltmummy]

if they go far enough back they can always find someones great grandfather or third uncle that "was a kkk member!!!"

Well, I can at least say with confidence that I'm probably exempt from that group. Probably. My mothers family was from Norway as far back as my grandfather, and my fathers side are mostly Native American.

I didn't even know the Klan was even relevant anymore except as something for people to try and distance themselves from or try to accuse others of being in support of. If anything though, this thread at least shows that some people around here are willing to have huge in depth debates about politics.

barking dog hillary clinton ad.

I found that ad to be hilarious.

[TotalyMeow]

Well that's the question isn't it. Was there any actual classified material on it and did they actually break the law by setting it up. Like I said, if you compare it to the Petraeus case she'll end up with nothing against her. Either way it's pointless in arguing about it until the FBI determines anything this summer.

Dude, really? They said over a month and a half ago that there was top secret information in the emails going through her private email server. Releasing information that is top secret or above is a serious crime. The FBI only investigates criminal acts, if they are investigating her, it is a clear indication that they think she broke the law. They would have charged her by now except for one thing: A comment made by Obama in an interview by 60 Minutes. He claimed that Hillary's actions didn't pose a National Security issue. If he makes a comment like that, he's almost giving her a pardon. So, he's now made it very difficult for the FBI to proceed.

Yes, there are people that want to kill Americans in the Middle-East. Yes they are theocratic terrorists and should be stopped. We've been fighting them for 50 years now and I don't doubt we'll be fighting them for at least 50 more. This is not ALL Muslims and it's not even a small minority of them. As Juda showed in another thread t's a puny fraction of a percent of Muslims who would kill themselves to kill others.

No... Judaism said that IF ONLY .0001% of Muslims are suicidal terrorists, that's still a dauntingly large number, enough people to launch some major attacks. He didn't claim that is a real percentage. He was using an illustration, which you seem to have a very difficult time with.

We accepted 70,000 refugees last year and 85,000 from around the world this year. Why are you so afraid if we accept 10-15,000 Muslim refugees this year? Canada has already taken in 20,000. Europe has taken in millions. WE ARE FACING THE LARGEST REFUGEE CRISIS SINCE WWII. Where is your compassion for other people? How is it not American to help people in need who are fleeing war? We took in 10x as many refugees after the Vietnam war. I personally am embarrassed that my country didn't take in more people to help them.

I'm afraid due to the fact that the refugees are currently thoroughly vetted to be sure their backgrounds are benign and that those backgrounds are the truth. That takes time, money, and a lot of people. Just arbitrarily increasing the numbers of people being allowed into the country could overwhelm the system we have that is working fairly well right now. So far, only a few refugees have been arrested for terrorist activities. I'd like to see it stay that way. I certainly do feel sorry for the plight of those of those who are innocent, but I also don't want to be murdered at the airport when I go home for the holidays. Be embarrassed all you want, it's easy to do when you feel misguidedly safe.

Then you are an uninformed fool and will be supporting the most racist, misogynistic and bigoted candidate we've had since George Wallace tried to roll Jim Crow back into the South.

Openly, maybe. But certainly not the most.

Immigration laws didn't change hundreds of years ago, they changed dramatically during the Cold War so as to favor White, Rich, and European immigrants. Why do our immigration laws make it easier for the rich to jump the line and come to this country? Why do our immigration laws criminalize people who come here to pick fruit? I agree that we need order to our immigration laws but we need to change them and the Republicans refuse to do anything on the subject except talk about a giant wall and mass deportations even if people have been here for 20 years and their kids are grown and citizens.

I didn't say they changed hundreds of years ago, I said they were different hundreds of years ago; we didn't really have any. Now, you've been harping on this point for several posts now, saying the same things over and over again, and I've been largely taking your works for truth since this is very tangential to the actual subject at hand. But I feel it's time to actually see if your words have any truth. Here's a nice article:

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-f ... fact-sheet

It explains that the US grants 480,000 visas to close family members of US citizens yearly, with that number often being a bit higher. There are 140,000 permanent employment visas available for people of extraordinary ability, artists, surgeons, scientists, and the like, and other temporary visas for touring bands, athletes, corporate employees needing to come here for some project or other, etc. Additionally, there are a number of visas for permanent immigrants for people from various countries, the total from any one country not to exceed 7% of the total, so that no one country or area dominates in any given year. There is also a diversity program that takes the countries that have sent less than 50k immigrants in the last 5 years and just awards visas to people in that country who want to immigrate. They have to meet only minimal qualifications to prove they can support themselves. It all seems exceedingly fair to me, and there is nothing here about rich people jumping any lines, though I see nothing wrong with great wealth being a qualification for a 'person of extraordinary ability', myself.

As for why our immigration laws 'criminalize people who come here to pick fruit', well, it's because they aren't coming here with visas! They're not applying and waiting their turn and working within the law. They're just crossing the border illegally and making it difficult for us to take in people who want to come here by legal means. We can only support so many extra people into this country each year and EVERYONE who comes here has to be accounted for. Having illegal people here means that people waiting to immigrate on actual visas, can't. It's selfish, it's immoral, it's illegal, and it's unfair. So again, if they want to come here, they must do it legally or not at all.

Yes, that's what they are saying. David Duke literally said "Hi, I'm David Duke and I endorse Donald Trump for President" and then encouraged his supporters to help him.

Umm... have you even read what I've said twice now? Sure, David Duke said that, but what the Hell does that have to do with individual people working in minor capacities in Trump's campaign? I'm saying that, assuming this one woman isn't the only one in the entire campaign, these people are reading the same script every other Tom, *****, and Harry volunteering for Trump is reading and who they are or what they believe in makes no difference and should not. I mean, really, if you're going to discriminate about this, what's next? Religious affiliation? Employment status? Place of business? National Origin? What?

When are you going to quit ***** dogs Tmeow? You don't have to keep ***** dogs just because Trump says that if you don't keep ***** dogs the country won't become great again.

Get. Help.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 has nothing to do with campaign volunteers.

It certainly does. That's not the issue. My question is, can someone's social activities legally be discriminated against or not? If not, then they aren't even allowed to ask about it when deciding whether to let someone volunteer.

The point is that Trump does not denounce or say he will stop members of the KKK or readers of Stormfront from volunteering for him when they hold recruitment drives for him. ... By not rejecting them utterly and by not explaining how he does not want HIS message to encourage them he is failing morally and is not fit to be President of the United States.

He has said he doesn't accept their endorsement. There's not a lot else he can do. You think that the people interviewing volunteers for his campaign should ask everyone if they are a member of the KKK or if the read Stormfront and refuse them if they answer 'yes'? And that by not doing that, Trump is agreeing with the opinions of those groups?? Do the other political campaigns ask those questions? Is it even legal to ask those questions? I'm tired of doing all the research. If you want to argue about this, find out if such a question is even allowed or your entire argument is invalid.

Again, she's the most proven competent candidate we have running even if we do disagree with some of her policies. Hell, even the Republicans who say Trump isn't fit to be president won't say she isn't fit to be president. That says something.

That mostly says they're concentrating on the nomination right now, not the presidency.

No, I mean they SEEM presidential before they become president. They SEEM capable and reasonable and fit to be president. I think Hillary, Bernie, Kasich seem like they could do the job. Trump and increasingly Cruz do not seem like they could do the job without embarrassing our country tremendously.

I like how you decide who you think is fit to be president. They seem presidential.

Again, she was a Senator and the Secretary of State. You don't get those jobs by being an incompetent boob like Trump.

Oh there have been plenty of incompetent boobs in governmental offices, even high ones. It's not a disqualifying trait by any means. I posit that Hillary is, indeed, one of them.

[saltmummy]

Again, she was a Senator and the Secretary of State. You don't get those jobs by being an incompetent boob like Trump.

Oh there have been plenty of incompetent boobs in governmental offices, even high ones. It's not a disqualifying trait by any means. I posit that Hillary is, indeed, one of them.

I think they are all incompetent boobs. Almost all anyway. The ones that seem the least incompetent are the dogs/cats some small towns elect to the position of mayor just for laughs. As you can tell, I have little to no confidence in my countries government.