Hey Guys, I'm a max level rogue on World of Warcraft.

[Rydersowl]

This is a pretty bad thread. =(

Brought to you by the the same person who brought such "smash hits" as "let's make salem with gorillas". If it's not insane gibberish or uninformed nonsense clearly designed to pick the same old tired fights I'd love to see Ronin actually contribute something meaningful with actual content.

[sabinati]

This is a pretty bad thread. =(

[Thor]

Okay sorry for delayed answer - drove my motorcycle licence yesterday so was kinda busy..

Okay, Thor, I am going to take a little time to point out some flaws in your perception of certain mechanics, in the nicest way possible.

In the beginning (or near enough) grinding pure crops was easy. Then it got made a little more difficult, but it was still easy after those first few % points (which was incredibly easy if you approached the mechanics correctly). The effort required to produce pure crops in those days was next to nothing, particularly in comparison to the purity grind today. In fact, more effort is now required to achieve a measly few percentage points of purity in an element than was once require to get seeds to 100% purity (or near enough).

Fair enough, however, you are the first "old player" who claims that pre-patch purity grind was easy.
Having no personal experience about it, I have to rely on what other players have told me or what I've read here in forums.

With no purity you will be working very hard to achieve 100+ biles (across the board) and I'm not sure that 150-200 is possible. That bile range would be possible with the top tier humus which is currently being produced. I can also assure you that worms will not raise purity by anything close to the figures you are quoting. You are looking at a minuscule improvement in humus, not doubling it. Not even close.

Okay about the worms. Like I said I'm no purity wizard and I only speculate on what people have told me. Worm purity does have a large effect on producing purity humus - I just have no data of how much it affects. Only thing I know from personal experience is that if you do have a purity bin and no worms of same element there, you will not see even 1% humus.
Going past 100 biles with 0% foods is not hard at all - and THIS IS from personal experience.
If you simply can't do it it's not the game mechanic that is broken, you simply don't know what to eat.

100% purity is still possible. 50% is achievable with effort, anything beyond that would rely on blind luck more than any other factor and would take an incalculable period of time.

Elaborate please.

[Jalpha]

On worms, I believe the bin hardcaps humus purity, and the worms softcap it. Or more likely the bins soft/hard/hard/hard/hardcap it. I am of course going off work others have done. It's a little difficult to work on purity from scratch when everyone is trying to kill you.

Going past 100 biles with 0% foods is not hard at all - and THIS IS from personal experience.
If you simply can't do it it's not the game mechanic that is broken, you simply don't know what to eat.

This is likely I did some early work cataloging recipes and their outputs, but seem to have misplaced my list and additionally haven't had the need to raise a character which has less than 100 biles in some time. In any case it's a moot point as you won't be reaching the almost 1000 bile monsters any time soon with what is producible for many, many months (if ever).

100% purity is still possible. 50% is achievable with effort, anything beyond that would rely on blind luck more than any other factor and would take an incalculable period of time.

Elaborate please.

This may have been an overestimation as the purity of potted saplings will always be brought down by the purity of the water and the pot you are using. Until it is possible for an Alembic to offer a greater than 20% chance of reducing instability, the quality of the pot is highly reliant upon the quality of the best materials you can forage. What I probably should have said was if you were able to produce a 50% pot, and had access to legacy humus, you could produce 50% trees. From that point you could use a combination of the random purity modifier and the Test Tubes to push the primary element gradually higher, with a lot of luck and even more failures. Doing this you could, theoretically, once again reach 100% purity, assuming there is no mechanic in place to softcap products at around the 50% mark.

[Ikpeip]

Good evening,

Didn't want to get into this mess of a thread, but a quick correction:

100% purity is still possible. 50% is achievable with effort, anything beyond that would rely on blind luck more than any other factor and would take an incalculable period of time.

Elaborate please.

This may have been an overestimation as the purity of potted saplings will always be brought down by the purity of the water and the pot you are using. Until it is possible for an Alembic to offer a greater than 20% chance of reducing instability, the quality of the pot is highly reliant upon the quality of the best materials you can forage. What I probably should have said was if you were able to produce a 50% pot, and had access to legacy humus, you could produce 50% trees. From that point you could use a combination of the random purity modifier and the Test Tubes to push the primary element gradually higher, with a lot of luck and even more failures. Doing this you could, theoretically, once again reach 100% purity, assuming there is no mechanic in place to softcap products at around the 50% mark.

In short, Jalpha was speculating, and poorly. 100% purity is not possible, and replicable 50% product is not possible either. The alchemy mechanics don't work how he thinks they do, and producing a 50% purity pot is not possible.It would take a herculean effort, a lot of luck, and the existence of undiscovered nodes with highly unlikely purity distributions to produce a 20% pot.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

[Jalpha]

This may have been an overestimation

But thanks for dropping by to repeat what I just said Paul. I'll accept that you just didn't read my post properly.

[jwhitehorn]

But thanks for dropping by to repeat what I just said Paul. I'll accept that you just didn't read my post properly.

Paul is just reaching out to protect Thor. Being a newer player who wasn't around for your previous iterations of pretending to know what you are talking about we just want to make sure that Thor doesn't take anything you type too seriously.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Jalpha]

Ahh yes, but we already confirmed the tribe has no idea what they are talking about. Also they are naturally biased toward retaining their advantage, and so they will pepper every argument they make with falsehoods designed to fool others into believing:

a) That they know what they are talking about,
b) They put in any work at all towards grinding purity themselves,
c) The old purity system was oh so hard and thus it's only fair that they retain an unfair advantage,
d) They cannot ever be wrong,
e) They are a reasonable and unbiased group with the best interests of the game at heart.

But I'm not here to convince the tribe of anything, and I'm sure the silent majority knows you for what you are.

[Snowpig]

Okay about the worms. Like I said I'm no purity wizard and I only speculate on what people have told me. Worm purity does have a large effect on producing purity humus - I just have no data of how much it affects. Only thing I know from personal experience is that if you do have a purity bin and no worms of same element there, you will not see even 1% humus.

Same is true if you have a no purity bin and purity worms. Reason for that is: the more purity, the less impact on the final result. Therefore you have to raise the purity of the bin (and your trees respectively) and the worms simultaneously.

Since the purity of your trees depends on the purity of the water and gardening pot you use, your compost will soon reach some sort of soft cap, because of the above mechanic - which is far less than 100% or even 50%.

[Thor]

I'm not gonna start quoting everyone so here goes..

Judging from this thread I see that Jalpha and Tribe have obviously some bad vibes from the past going on here..
But I don't really know what benefit Chief or tribe would get from lying to me about this matter.
Well same goes for you - but you seem to be the only one thinking that getting every crop to 100% with all elements is a piece of cake (before purity patch).
So either everyone else are lazy dimwits or you are the exceptionally hard working genius.