Heffernan Makes a Bet

[Inotdead]

Dude, the legitimacy was confirmed by the lead dev himself. Arguing at this point is just making yourself look ridiculous.
You should at least admit your defeat even if you don't have the money.

[Brego]

so did he pay or he is still ignoring?what a nice win Dallane !Bravo!

[Dallane]

so did he pay or he is still ignoring?what a nice win Dallane !Bravo!

He is unfortunately not paying saying that I owe him the money and he won. He has a very bad case of denial. I hope that the community can pull together in this dark times.

[Vexus]

Before things get even more one-sided:

Dallane: Heffernan did say he would take the bet IF you had 10k silver to cover it. So please post proof of that 10k silver to show you entered into the wager under honorable pretenses.

Next, we must know what it means to be "logged in". To be logged in, that means you have an active connection to the server, and thus have control over the character in question. If the server maintains a shell of your character for persistence purposes, that is not being logged in.

When you close out of the client, or if you are at the login screen, you are in fact logged out. The server may keep persistence of the shell of your character on its own after you log out.

Nearly everyone uses multiple login accounts, and logs them in at the same time with two instances of the client. You must have two different account names to do this.

If you are logged in the game, that means you have control of your character and it is playable. It is not possible at that point to also have another client open with the character select menu when using the same account. If you are at the character select menu, it is also not possible to use another client to access the character select menu on that same account.

After reviewing these facts, I believe Dallane has lost the bet. He lost it by using the specific wording "with a character logged in the game" - he did not say that he could have a character still in the game while on another character on the same account. By specifically referencing the term "character logged in the game" he put the pretense that he would be able to be in control of a single character in game, while he was also at the login screen in some other fashion.

Dallane:
Are you actually saying that I can't be on the logon screen with a character logged in the game?

Heffernan:
not on the same account.

Dallane:
I will bet you 10k silver right now that this is possible.

Heffernan:
id take the bet if u had 10k silver

A weak reference for Login: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Login

A simple test case would be Gmail, which I'm sure many people are familiar with. It will alert you if you are "logged in" in multiple locations - that means you have access to your email from more than one client. If you close out of one of those clients, you no longer have access from that client, so you are logged out of that instance, although another may be open. Salem is not like this. Salem allows only one account connection at a time. Being at the character select screen is "logged out of the game" for all intents and purposes of the term. The server decision to keep your character presence in the game is irrelevant to this fact and the argument.

[Dallane]

I see you misunderstand what it means to be logged into a game. Your character is logged into the world therefor logged into the game. You are also a low post count no body who has no say in the matter. The developers agree with me and I am still waiting for the money.

[Vexus]

You're wrong. Being "logged in" is a specific computer term. It means you have access. You cannot have access to a character while also being at the login screen for the same account.

Nice attack on the post count, I can see the fear in your eyes.

[Dallane]

You're wrong. Being "logged in" is a specific computer term. It means you have access. You cannot have access to a character while also being at the login screen for the same account.

Nice attack on the post count, I can see the fear in your eyes.

Wording doesn't matter since he knew exactly what I'm talking about. You are picking one part of the conversation out instead of looking at the entire picture. You character is indeed logged into the game. If i'm saying it incorrect then whats a better term to use?

[Procne]

I would like to remind Vexus that the whole discussion originated from Heffernan stating that if he's on character selection screen then none of his characters should be in game (and thus gaining insanity), which is what Dallane initially claimed, and then proven, to be false.

[Vexus]

Heffernan doesn't seem to be English as his first language. I apologize if this is not the case. However if so, and even if not so, we can only go by what is actually said, not what is meant.

I read Heffernan's post to be more along "what is meant" as a playable character in game and also at the login screen.

You "mean" that you have a character persisting on the server while also being logged in with another character to the very same server.

By using the words "logged in the game" you gave precedence that you would be in control of a character in game and also have the ability to be at the character select menu of the same account.

This is not possible. You were wrong. The terms are everything.

I am only here for the bet, not the side discussion in how it all started. The bet was quoted in my original reply. That is what stands to be argued.

[Dallane]

I am only here for the bet, not the side discussion in how it all started. The bet was quoted in my original reply. That is what stands to be argued.

I can add the rest in if you are going to go by that.

We were talking about characters currently persisting in the game(using the terms logged in the entire time). He knew exact what was being said. How do you explain him trying to change the terms after he lost with multiple different stories?