Hey Guys, I'm a max level rogue on World of Warcraft.

[Jalpha]

If forum posts had anything to do with server population Chiefs propaganda would have them pulling up in droves. What I'm interested to know is why the tribes treaty payers, while being safe (presumably) are still leaving in droves. Is it the lack of freedom? Is it the sense of having their game become too much like real life as they are forced to pay taxes? Is it chiefs constant sexual advances?

The message is that if you aren't tribe, Plymouth is a no-go zone, and a lot of people simply don't want to be tribe. If you aren't a backstabbing, noob-killing joke, with no honour and litte to no worthwhile achievements to speak of, the tribe isn't for you.

Jealousy doesn't even come into it. Even the tribe is playing less and less on Plymouth and spending more and more of their time on other servers because there's nothing to do on Plymouth anymore. The amusing part about it is the illogical justifications preventing the tribe and their followers from seeing past the end of their own noses.

[jwhitehorn]

The question in this topic is not really about the chief ruining the game. Its about his followers thinking he's cool for being that douche rogue lv90 killing lvl 10s in Westfall.

To be honest the fact he killed Plymouth of everyone cept the tribe is just a small consideration of victory in a game that is broken.

As far as Chief's examples of Monopoly or Risk its hardly the same due to the flawed mechanics & developers inability to fix the game that has brought the game down.
Its like saying yeh lets play monopoly but the guy who sits down first gets 150k more Money everytime he passes go. (cuz lets face it once you have purity stuff you keep making more). Or Risk where the guy 1st at the table gets a new army every other turn.

FUN TIMES RIGHT! (Insert darwoth image x 3 playing monopoly).

No. For a game to succeed and be fun there has to be some sense of fairness and if not at least some decent level of catching up system. Neither is there in Salem. NOt to mention every other patch coming out probably makes the game worse for the newbies. The only way i see salem being fun to play again for the majority of players is implementing a wipe system every 6months. That way people could compete from day 1 and even if they start late (4th-6month) they have a chance to kill other players due to the long ass grind getting in the way of people gaining abnormal humor levels. (remember were not talking of starting with legacy purity now)

Chief feel free to comment something about my mother or what not. Youre one of those people who even with todays Medicine cant be helped and can do nothing about your nature.

As a last remark i feel sorry for all of the guys still here playing this piece of **** game. And for those thinking i still play because i posted a comment i merely opend the forums sitting on the train with my phone.

P.S. Jorb & loftar i wish you the best and hope your ideas will not Catch on to other devs.

Because anybody is going to care about a ****** opinion from a ****** player who quit before he even figured out how purity works (as referenced by him thinking higher purity stuff can be replicated). I'm pretty sure everybody realized you were a joke and just how far you didn't get in this game when you started advocating for a wipe every 4 months.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[jwhitehorn]

If you aren't a backstabbing, noob-killing joke, with no honour and litte to no worthwhile achievements to speak of, the tribe isn't for you.

Hilarious. The Tribe is the most honorable organization there is involved in most every achievement and milestone this game has to offer. Do you honestly thing anybody is going to believe this ***** you have been filling the thread with? The ramblings of criminal scum will always be the ramblings of criminal scum.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Kandarim]

The only way i see salem being fun to play again for the majority of players is implementing a wipe system every 6months. That way people could compete from day 1 and even if they start late (4th-6month) they have a chance to kill other players due to the long ass grind getting in the way of people gaining abnormal humor levels. (remember were not talking of starting with legacy purity now)

But the whole point of salem was to be a more permanent version of haven: no wipes in as far that is possible, with a slower grind and so on. I do agree that in its current state, this is far from optimal, seeing how hard it is to catch up again after losing your character/base completely. That said, there are plenty of current game "features", not the least of which is bellhopping, that make it very hard to destroy a determined player.

[Jalpha]

If you aren't a backstabbing, noob-killing joke, with no honour and litte to no worthwhile achievements to speak of, the tribe isn't for you.

Hilarious. The Tribe is the most honorable organization there is involved in most every achievement and milestone this game has to offer. Do you honestly thing anybody is going to believe this ***** you have been filling the thread with? The ramblings of criminal scum will always be the ramblings of criminal scum.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

The proof is in the pudding. Your failure of a tribe. Nobody wants to play with you, but I guess you got used to that when mommy didn't love you enough right

[jwhitehorn]

The proof is in the pudding. Your failure of a tribe. Nobody wants to play with you, but I guess you got used to that when mommy didn't love you enough right

Destroying all your enemies is a far cry from having nobody want to play with you. The Tribe has grown from a handful of Braves against the 30+ Zergfests of GH, Russians Etc. To the most populated organization of Salem with dozens of Braves and probably close to 100 treaty payers now. Are players less active? Sure. But that has little to do with the Tribe. It has 5-15 Functioning Members of Society at all times while Roanoke and Jamestown have 2-4 justice keepers and 25-35 criminals at all times. I would take the 5-15 civilized players over the 30-50 criminals hands down.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Snowpig]

The question in this topic is not really about the chief ruining the game. Its about his followers thinking he's cool for being that douche rogue lv90 killing lvl 10s in Westfall.

I think it is more about all those killed in Westfall and some other guys, who ran on the WoW-Forums and spam "WoW is ****, Blizzard is ****, because they allow a douche regue Lv90 to run in Westfall and kill Newbs" (on a PVP-Server ...oh an btw. such posting would be deleted instantly because it violated at least two forum rules in their forums).

And just to emphasize it: Instead of just sticking with it, hiding from that rogue or just simply leveling in Darkshore (yes, i played WoW as well) or even Azuremyst Island, then creating a Lv 90 Character and omfgpwnbbq'ing that rogue some time later, you guys just select the lazy route by playing forum-warrior and endless repeating "WoW/Blizzard/that server is ****, because of some douche rogue killing newbs in Westfall".

So if you do not see this blatant idiocy in your position, no discussion will help you here.

Just for you TL-DR-guys some TL-DR:
You want to fight the Tribe, work for it. If you do not want to or feel too weak to, then l2adapt or play on another server.

[Jalpha]

Your numbers seem grossly overestimated and I hope you don't expect people to believe them. I rarely see anyone on Plymouth wearing anything you cant make with snakeskins or yellow cotton, and if I do it's usually you, one of your alts, or Paul.

Most of your enemies left for the fun inherent in starting anew somewhere fresh. You then went around and destroyed their bases while they were inactive, and paraded your "achievements" all over the forums as though you had actually done something other than loot bases where the upkeep had expired. When they came back to try and claim revenge, they were steamrolled while in the first stages of getting established and once again, you paraded the news all across the forums as though you had done something difficult and amazing.

The most amazing things you have done were all the result of bug abuse or treachery.

[NeiroShop]

The question in this topic is not really about the chief ruining the game. Its about his followers thinking he's cool for being that douche rogue lv90 killing lvl 10s in Westfall.

I think it is more about all those killed in Westfall and some other guys, who ran on the WoW-Forums and spam "WoW is ****, Blizzard is ****, because they allow a douche regue Lv90 to run in Westfall and kill Newbs" (on a PVP-Server ...oh an btw. such posting would be deleted instantly because it violated at least two forum rules in their forums).

And just to emphasize it: Instead of just sticking with it, hiding from that rogue or just simply leveling in Darkshore (yes, i played WoW as well) or even Azuremyst Island, then creating a Lv 90 Character and omfgpwnbbq'ing that rogue some time later, you guys just select the lazy route by playing forum-warrior and endless repeating "WoW/Blizzard/that server is ****, because of some douche rogue killing newbs in Westfall".

So if you do not see this blatant idiocy in your position, no discussion will help you here.

Just for you TL-DR-guys some TL-DR:
You want to fight the Tribe, work for it. If you do not want to or feel too weak to, then l2adapt or play on another server.

I know Reading comprehension is hard with your head that far up chiefs ass BUT as i never said i agreed with your "thoughts" about what the topic was about and i clearly stated my thoughts on it your whole post is invalid to say the least.

I was never arguing about wether Chief has ruined the game or not. I was merely stating my thoughts on why this game is bad and it has nothing to do with Chief at all. Hes just a player with too much free time on his hands imo. (the fact he chooses to play such a poor game as this i cant really speak of). But as you pointed out in WoW anyone can reach lv90 pretty quickly and OMGWTFBBQPWN the guy that harassed you as you were lvling all within a couple Days time i might add. Even if youre not perfectly equal in gear you still have a way better chance than you do in salem even if you played months & months here..

As you kind of proved my Point that the Topic is about you "forum warriors" holding a torch for Chief for killing newbies is beyond sad and would be laughed out from any other games forums.

[RuneNL]

The answer is: he didn't.

The reason for the low amount of logged-in players on Plymouth is:
1. A big river of tears, caused by those, who - when killed by the Tribe - went QQ'ing here in the forums, which lead to
2. a constant bad-mouth of the server and its population by them and all others, who are simply jealous with the Tribe and their state of power on Plymouth.

In contrast to popular believes, posting newbie killings on the forum is frowned upon by new players.
This in it self is negative promotion of the Tribe.

When I started playing Salem I started on Plymouth (Nicest map by far), but when I heard about the Tribe I started to read the forums.

The thing that turned me away from Plymouth wasn't the "propaganda" from other players.
It was the Scalp thread and clearly seeing the newbie garb victims murdered by an overly dominating faction.
At that time I just wanted to stay away from people, stay alive while trying to learn the game.

Roanoke at the time had Russian's... Bad experiences in perma-death games. Jamestown had Darwoth, he was only one man and it seemed people got the chance to learn the game. So I went to Jamestown.

Justice or not.
Righteous or not.
Hard work or not.
Charisma or not.
Sex appeal or not.

Plymouth does not appeal to new players. Because people play games to get away from being dominated by (insert dominant factors in life). Let alone pay double tax.

Only the Tribe can fix that. The lime project was a good one in my opinion.