I'm Back From Eternal Exile In the Black Desert of Despair!

[Claeyt]

You're an idiot if you think Trump would make a good president. He's an embarrassment to the country and the presidential election. He'd be a horrible, horrible president and divide the nation like no other. He lies/exaggerates/is ignorant of so many things that it's simply dangerous to view him as a possibility of becoming president.

Geez, you're mean. I never said he'd be a GOOD president. I said he'd be better than some people (the ones so against him now, for example) think he will be. I'm sure he won't be perfect.

Why vote for him if you think he'll be a bad president? If HRC does beat Sanders HRC is clearly more qualified and rational even if she is the establishment Dem candidate. She may be Nixonian and committed a misdemeanor open-government law when she set up a private e-mail server but at least she's not insane.

1. He has repeatedly called for banning all Muslim immigarants (students/refugees/applications for citizenship) to America. Not only is this against the Constitution it has alienated our Allies, and the entire world with his bigoted *****.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vide ... e-us-video

That is not at all against the Constitution as far as I know. The only thing the Constitution mentions about immigration is that a child born on American soil, excluding children of diplomats, is American. Considering how some illegal immigrants have taken advantage of that clause, maybe it does need to be changed. But preventing certain people from immigrating is not at all against the Constitution and is something that has actually been done for a long time in most every country in the world, including this one. There are immigration limits, and those limits are often country or area specific. They exist mostly for economic and other reasons based on how many people we can absorb into our economy/society/schools/etc in a given year. Obama keeps making his executive orders that increase the number of immigrants we'll accept from the Middle Eastern part of the world. He's INCREASING the limits beyond what we've had for a long time, so Trump saying he'll decrease them again and possibly below what they originally were isn't at all illegal or unconstitutional, though you may disagree with that policy.

I watched your video. I actually agree with what he says there. It's not bigotry or bias or anything, it's reason based on actual events. Muslims in general ARE very angry and often hateful towards non-Muslims. Did you know that the capturing of European and African slaves that they practiced for centuries in the Middle East was only officially stopped in the early 1900s? And only because they basically were forced to stop.

Besides the absolute nuttery of asking people who apply for student visa's or tourism visas their religion rejecting applicants for citizenship, refugee status or legal permanent residency (husbands or wives of citizens) is against the equal protection clause as shown by the modern rejection of the Chinese exclusion laws (1890's laws rejecting all immigrants or applications for citizenship from members of the Chinese race). Race, religion and sex are now protected from bias under federal law.

Muslims in general ARE NOT very angry towards non-muslims. They ARE very angry towards specific and fundamental foreign policy aspects to western countries (Illegal Iraq war, threatened war with Iran, War in Lebanon, support of Jewish West-bank settlements, support of India over Pakistani territorial claims, military and monetary support of non-democratic dictatorships and monarchies throughout the region and many, many other rational reasons). Most Muslims don't want to hurt America. We have 3.5 million Muslims living in America now. They do not hate America. If you include the thousands of people killed by white supremacists and the KKK during the Jim Crow era, Evangelical-Baptists have killed more people in America than Muslims over the last 100 years. (including Oklahoma city)

Listen to what the NY Police Commissioner said today about the Muslim communities of America in response to Republican attacks on Muslims if you think Muslims should be banned from America:

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nat ... /82141318/

2. He called Mexican illegal immigrants rapists and drug dealers even though they don't rape or deal drugs at any greater rate. He has repeatedly spouted bigoted remarks against Mexican-Americans/Univision/The Spanish Language and Mexico in general. This has led to a horrifying fascist/violent response in America in so many ways, from children taunting Mexican-American fellow students to violently rascist groups like the KKK, Stormfront, and many other hate groups coming out in public support of his poisonous bile.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-20 ... s-rapists/

I would love to see where you got your statistics to know he is wrong. I looked myself, but could find nothing. The FBI, it seems, tracks by race, but not by ethnicity. Either way, I don't agree with his statements about Latino people as he also has not provided proof. I do, however, think that immigrants from those areas of the world, or any area, should not be allowed to stay here illegally. I've already mentioned the limits we have on immigration and some of the reasons those limits are there. The fact that so many politicians have endorsed leaving them alone and even giving them various benefits in the hopes that it will get them votes from their legalized relatives is something I find deplorable.

It's right there in the article I linked:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ans-119849

"A 2011 U.S. Government Accountability Office study “Criminal Alien Statistics: Information on Incarcerations, Arrests and Costs”"

The general benefits given to them (school, healthcare, etc...) is far outweighed by their contributions in taxes and low food costs to Americans. I don't know how many idiots I have to tell but illegal immigrants are not eligible for any Federal benefits at all (including Soc. Security, Medicaid, Medicare etc..) and very limited State benefits. And always remember that after your grandparents or great grandparents immigrated here they changed the rules during the Cold War to proportionally favor Western European countries, the educated, and the rich (if you are worth over 1 million dollars you qualify for fast tracked citizenship) to make it easier for them to become citizens and harder for poor Mexicans to become citizens. This is one of the many reasons why everyone is trying to change the immigration laws on both sides of the debate.

3. He has debased every possible aspect of the presidential election, which has led to a lowering of the bar to new levels, even for the Republican party. He's repeatedly used exaggeration and flat out lies in not only the debates but also in his stump speeches. He's called for violence at his rallies and at the convention if he's denied the nomination. This is as close as we've come to a fascist demagogue in our national elections.

This is your opinion, biased by watching democratic news agencies, no doubt. In fact, I've noticed that all politicians lie, and that that fact is pointed out only when the person reporting it disagrees with the politician in question. He hasn't actually called for any violence at his rallies, though it is a little silly of him to point out the violence that is occurring instead of just ignoring it and letting security deal. He hasn't threatened any violence if he is denied the nomination, he said only that if he has most of the popular vote and then doesn't get the nomination, he thinks there will be riots. Maybe there will be. Oh no! Does that mean I'm threatening violence now??

This is a lie. Trump has flat out called for protesters to be punched and said that he would pay the legal fees of anyone arrested for beating up protesters.

4. His campaign openly welcomes volunteer support from hate groups.

No, no it doesn't, and the following two links you posted don't demonstrate that at all.

These people shown in the PBS documentary are still volunteers at that Trump campaign office. The KKK and Stormfront have both called for volunteers to help Trump's campaign and they are being allowed to make call outs using Trump campaign's app for him from their own phone banks without coordination from the campaign. Trump has not denounced them for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyFhQkd5ik

The longest 9 minutes of my life. Some loud guy trying to make something out of nothing. The clip was of a woman saying that she supports Trump by volunteering on the phones to call people and ask for their vote. Many, many people are doing this all over the country for both sides, but THIS woman has a couple tattoos that might mean she's a White Supremacist. At no point does she say that she is, or mention anything at all regarding White Supremacy in her phone conversations or in the interview; she keeps her potential beliefs to herself. And just because this woman supports Trump, doesn't meant that Trump supports any of this woman's beliefs. What if she had decided to vote for Hilary instead? Would that mean that Hilary is supporting White Supremacist groups? Not at all, and I'm sure there are a few out there voting for her. Every citizen is allowed to vote, we don't deny them the vote if they are White Supremacist, so they are going to vote for somebody.

Follow up on those volunteers place her and members of her family as members of a KKK group. Campaigns do deny members of hate groups for working for them based on the simple decent response to their calls for violence and hate towards religious and ethnic groups. If you are okay with Trump allowing members of the KKK to openly represent him over the phones then there is something seriously wrong with your moral values if you still support him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html

Actually an interesting article. Here are a few quotes:

"And now groups such as the KKK are capitalizing on the presidential candidate’s anti-Muslim and anti-migrant sentiments for their own gains."

"‘He’s made it OK to talk about these incredible concerns of European Americans today, because I think European Americans know they are the only group that can’t defend their own essential interests and their point of view.'"

"But Trump has insisted he doesn’t need the hate group’s endorsement and ejected a man with a Confederate flag from a rally in Virginia at the start of the month."

Not very supportive of your 'openly welcomes hate group support' claim. A couple groups are taking advantage of Trump's position that immigration should be limited and that we should stop letting people come in illegally. That is not the same as Trump supporting them. Please learn to logic, most of your arguments are based mainly on emotion and rhetorical fervor. It's getting to be like a Baptist revival in your threads and it's hard to respond to that.

My arguments are not based on emotion or rhetorical fervor and you are supporting a racist for president. The KKK and Stormfront have both endorsed him. He has denied the KKK endorsement but is as always confused and sketchy about abjectly refusing these violent groups.

Donald Trump's father Fred Trump was a member of the New York state KKK and was once arrested at one of their rallies:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/f ... t-1927-kkk

Always remember that Donald Trump himself has been sued by the Justice department multiple times for refusing to rent to Blacks and Latinos and denying their constitutional rights.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/2 ... 55553.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/how-a- ... an-7380462

His security teams are now pulling out black and latino attendees to his rallies or assigning them to seating close to doors so as to easily facilitate their removal if they do turn out to be protesters.

5. He has refused to learn anything about foreign policy. He is abjectly ignorant of World politics and has called for America to leave NATO, Invade Syria, go to war with Iran and many, many other foolish things.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop- ... ser-220853

Your clip says nothing but that he talked about Osama Bin Laden before the NWTC attack happened. That doesn't support your statement that he doesn't know world politics at all.

It talks about his rejection of gathering a Foreign policy team and his absolute narcissism as he describes how he "consults himself" and his "good brain."

6. His views on women are bizarre, misogynistic and demeaning in the extreme. His statements towards women and women's issues are not only ignorant but simply bigoted. I won't even go into his demeaning speeches about his much younger 3rd wife who used to be a nude model or his ignorant treatment of Megyn Kelly from Fox News or how he just rated some of the female reporters at one of his press conferences based on how hot they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

I don't like Megyn Kelly either. I've looked at some of the things he's said about women. I don't want to go into it, that's a whole post on it's own, but it's not what the media has made it out to be. He has some lack of political correctness, that's the main thing. I don't like political correctness, so whatever.

I suppose if you're okay with how he talks about women and still willing to vote for him then who am I to tell you he's wrong?

Here's some more great quotes from Trump about women:

1. On rival Republican candidate Carly Fiorina:

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that? The face of our next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

2. On Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions:

"If Hillary Clinton can't satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?"

3. On the owner of Huffington Post, Arianna Huffington:

"Ariana Huffington is unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision."

4. Or how about the time that he sent New York Times writer and reporter Gail Collins a copy of her column with “The Face of a Dog!” written over it.

5. Here's an extended list including interviews of his misogyny:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski ... .pfnpnLez9

Honestly, as a women (or supposedly) I don't know how you don't feel physically ill when you read these things he's said and then think about how high he's gotten in the Republican primaries. I know I do.

There are hundreds of reasons I could post (Trump U, his bankruptcies, how his Dad and he were repeatedly sued for not renting to black people during the 70's and 80's, etc...etc...)

Sure, post a few then. You've yet to say anything material.

I've posted 10's of clips and articles now about how he's materially unfit to be president. You can reject them based on your biased and distorted view but that does not make them fact. Here are a few more:

Just wait until you start reading and hearing about Trump's ties to both the Italian and Russian mobs:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how ... o-the-mob/

Or the time he bribed a mayor to build a casino:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... mayor.html

Or the time he tried to silence a journalist by trying to bribe him with an apartment:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/behind ... mp-7380534
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/way ... 85030bb2d5

You should be embarrassed that you support him and it says a lot about all of you at MM that you'd actually even consider supporting him.

I actually haven't claimed to support him. I didn't vote for him in the primaries. I just think he will win. Why that should tell you anything at all about MM in general, I don't know.

Well you just said that you'd vote for him?

"I'm favoring Trump in part because he IS different, though that is not the only reason."

that sounds like support.

As for the rest of MM. I don't know about Marp, he seems apolitical. JC seems to support the "idea" of trump and Dallane is of course not coming out and saying it but his conservative politics is well known. This is another reason you guys need another mod voice on the forum.

I honestly don't mind if he wins, in fact I HOPE he wins the Republican nomination

You should be embarrassed that you support him and it says a lot about your place of business that you'd actually even consider supporting him.

Taking that out of the context of my hope that he destroys the Republican party by winning was pretty keen there Tmeow.

The only reason I'm fighting his nomination is that there is a very, very small, minute but real chance at either a massive major terrorist attack or increasingly unlikely massive drop in the economy that might scare enough people into voting for this fascist small fingered vulgarian and that infinitesimally small chance is what I'm fighting against. That puny possibility is how fascism destroys America in another timeline of this universe and I'm fighting it now in case something happens, god forbid.

So.... you think he'd be really good at preventing terrorist attacks and/or rallying the economy?

No, I think that the American people in all of their stupidity and fear would act irrationally and without reason and possibly vote in Trump as a negative response to the perceived failure of Obama and HRC to stop said terrorist attack or major economic downturn. The economy already looks like it'll keep growing until November and China and even Brazil look like they're not going to be as bad as all that fuss Obama fixed in 2008. It's already being reported by the CIA and the FBI that ISIS is planning to try and disrupt the election in Trump's favor with multiple attacks so as to help his campaign and hurt HRC and Obama. So he has that going for him.

[Dallane]

As for the rest of MM. I don't know about Marp, he seems apolitical. JC seems to support the "idea" of trump and Dallane is of course not coming out and saying it but his conservative politics is well known. This is another reason you guys need another mod voice on the forum.

First off I am not employed by MM nor do I represent them in any fashion. The fact that you STILL can't grasp that is just beyond retarded.

Why in the world does it matter who support what. You are essentially being a terrorist trying to scare people out of their beliefs. For someone so against trump you sure do have a lot of hate and bigotry. This is America and we are feel to follow and believe in whatever we want. Stop trying to oppress and marginalize everyone.

You know 100% nothing of what I believe politically. It's frankly none of your or anyone else's business.

There you go harping about moderation again. My political beliefs has 100% nothing to do with moderation. I understand that the only reason you are around is because of arguments like this are entertaining but you really need to chill out. You have made yourself look like a massive raving idiot.

[Claeyt]

You are essentially being a terrorist trying to scare people out of their beliefs.

You should be scared of what the great Centipede is and will do and you should be embarrassed if you support him and his beliefs.

Here's one of my favorite Dallane quotes:

I honestly thought Trump was a joke at first till I actually started to hear him talk. What he says is exactly what will make America greater than it already is. I love the fact that he will ship all the refugee terrorist back when he wins. I'm especially happy that my governor refuses to take terrorist in my state.

Just going to point out in light of the fiasco in yesterday's election in Arizona that America was just ranked 47th in the world in how efficiently our elections are run behind Brazil, Argentina, Mongolia, South Africa and Costa Rica. We were ranked "Worst elections of any long standing democracy." 'Murica, not even once.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ort-finds/
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... /82096726/

What a 5 hour long wait to vote due to voter suppression efforts by Republicans looks like (including poll tax state ID's and rejection of student ID's as valid ID) :

[Dallane]

I honestly thought Trump was a joke at first till I actually started to hear him talk. What he says is exactly what will make America greater than it already is. I love the fact that he will ship all the refugee terrorist back when he wins. I'm especially happy that my governor refuses to take terrorist in my state.

And? No where did I say I was voting for him. You also didn't quote any other part of that thread which is everyone trolling you.

I also love how you ignored everything I said in a attempt to switch the convo.

I do however believe we need to remove Muslim terrorist from America. Are you saying your support terrorism?

[Tulgarath]

I honestly thought Trump was a joke at first till I actually started to hear him talk. What he says is exactly what will make America greater than it already is. I love the fact that he will ship all the refugee terrorist back when he wins. I'm especially happy that my governor refuses to take terrorist in my state.

And? No where did I say I was voting for him. You also didn't quote any other part of that thread which is everyone trolling you.

I also love how you ignored everything I said in a attempt to switch the convo.

I do however believe we need to remove Muslim terrorist from America. Are you saying your support terrorism?

Claeyt supports terrorism!!! (I read it on the internet, so it must be true.)

[Claeyt]

You are essentially being a terrorist

Stop trying to oppress and marginalize everyone.

Are you saying you support terrorism?

NO.... You're the terrorist!

[Inotdead]

On an unrelated note - that dog looks totally fabulous.

[DeepSixed]

Why would you try to put a speed bump in making america great again?

All this **** about Republican party is dead... is misleading.

Think back - this is not a 1 to 1 comparison - but it's close... The Masters Golf Tourney... a woman wanted in... and the Masters rejected her and they lost all kinds of commercial support.

Establishment Republicans crying foul... seems almost the same. Here comes someone who DOESN'T have to KISS the ASS of the old boy, the "special group... you protect our entitlement and we'll crown you" group.

Trumps election will not destroy the Republican party... it will only destroy the wanna be Power behind the republican party; and that's frankly what I've been voting against for year...

They need to be deposed... and I imagine all kinds of ugly things will occur when Trump is in the White House... the real death of the Replublican party is when we learn just how entitled these buggers are vs the blue collar workers... jsut what they have hidden from us b/c they kept crowning camp followers vs someone who was his own man.

It's not death of conservatism... it's death of the Establishment...

Truly

[saltmummy]

The walls of text in this thread would put to shame any wall trump hopes to build.
When trump ends the world, I'm gonna build myself a Ned Kelly steel suit and gut shoot motorcycle bandits that try to throw down, I can't wait.

[DeepSixed]

The walls of text in this thread would put to shame any wall trump hopes to build.
When trump ends the world, I'm gonna build myself a Ned Kelly steel suit and gut shoot motorcycle bandits that try to throw down, I can't wait.

We'll see if he's got balls- he won't ask the National Guard but the Army or better yet the Corps to control the border.... and it won't be to 'Win hearts and Minds' as they have despairingly failed to do in Iraq, etc... I know folks who have served... and the 'Rules of War' might as well be take a bullet for nothing because (President) said so under Bush and Obama.