Its because he is black.

[Haukeye]

Clayet are you a cop? I doubt it. As you really have no clue on a couple of your responses.
1. Rural towns and counties CAN NOT afford 2 men per car, and MOST are at such low coverage that it can take up to 15 minutes to even GET backup. I know this as I lived it. Think about how long that is if you were facing a guy hyped up on drugs or alcohol and YOU HAVE to deal/fight him alone.

No I'm not a cop. Like I said, Urban police forces usually work with partners. Rural towns do not. It's a matter of officer safety versus coverage. I agree, rural towns should have more coverage for better response time. Urban police forces can generally flood an area with partnered cops. Most places do a mix of the two based on need and the area they're covering.

2. 12 shots was to many? Were you there? If that guy did not stop, I would of also continued to fire until the threat was stopped. Period. As for it being questionable? Was he supposed to just stand there and let him run off? For cryin out loud sometimes I wonder if the civilian population even has a clue what cops have to go through.

One of the biggest problems with police use of force is the shoot to kill requirement. A drunken college kid was shot in my town last year as he was stumbled towards the officer. The officer shot him 3 times even though he was clearly drunk and unarmed. He was fired. The final shot that hit Brown went through the top of his head as he was falling forward supposedly. He was still 5-8 yards away from the cop. The cop was alone and panicked in my opinion. He nearly emptied his gun at this guy who was not shooting back. I don't blame him for that because I wasn't there. I'm sure his adrenaline was pumping. I'm pretty sure that police officers can't shoot fleeing suspects, at the least there are real hard guidelines to shooting someone who's running away. Imminent threat and stuff like that. Imminent threat requires that he be armed in most cases if I remember right.

Imminent threat does NOT have to be with a firearm. The guy already showed he was trying to take the officers gun therefor the threat WAS imminent. When he came back at the officer and did NOT stop that threat was once again imminent. I was trained you STOP the threat if you feel your or others lives are at stake. It was clear the officers was. So he used what force was necessary to stop that force, and as long as that threat continues to come forward you shoot. Please claeyt don't argue on a topic you are unclear on.

[Claeyt]

you cant "just buy a gun online" jackass, all online firearm transfers go through an FFL and must be accompanied with a 4473 just like every other gun purchase in the country.

the singular exception to this rule is the private sale sale of USED guns that are ALREADY registered with a 4473 and ALREADY have a papertrail attached to them and even then they can only be sold owner to owner without doing a fresh round of paperwork within that same state.

furthermore it would take anyone with basic firearm knowledge about 20 minutes to make a zipgun in their garage. which was quite common in the 60's and 70's, and 3d printers have now advanced to where anyone that can download a blueprint with their smartphone and had a few grand to spend can crank out as many guns as they want. you can not uninvent technology no matter how much you want to see innocents fall victim to the scum of the earth.



also do not even start on the trayvon/zimmerman ****. much like this incident trayvon was a ***** thug who attacked someone and got shot for it, in that instance he broke mr zimmermans nose and was in the process of sitting on him slamming his head into the pavement.

Private Sales with no background checks account for 10% of all sales. All further private or gun show sales don't require you to register it for sale.

Zip guns and printer guns are much less accurate and durable than factory made guns. Zip guns generally only have one shot. Most of the parts of most 3d guns are bought separately and added. The less factory made parts a 3d gun has the less usable it is. Stricter laws on the sales of gun parts and online sales of gun parts would eliminate those.

Gun laws work in Canada, they work in Europe and they work in Australia and Japan. The numbers don't lie, they're murder rates are tiny compared to ours.

Trayvon was a kid just walking back from the store when a private citizen got out of his car (even though the police told him not to) and confronted and tried to detain him. Trayvon and Zimmerman then got into a fight and Zimmerman shot him. Trayvon hadn't just robbed a store or punched a cop and tried to grab his gun, he was just walking down the sidewalk. He fought back against some weird guy who got out of his truck while he was just walking home. Zimmerman should be in prison right now. He would have been convicted in most other states in this country which don't have stand your ground laws like Florida does.

[Dallane]

you cant "just buy a gun online" jackass, all online firearm transfers go through an FFL and must be accompanied with a 4473 just like every other gun purchase in the country.

the singular exception to this rule is the private sale sale of USED guns that are ALREADY registered with a 4473 and ALREADY have a papertrail attached to them and even then they can only be sold owner to owner without doing a fresh round of paperwork within that same state.

furthermore it would take anyone with basic firearm knowledge about 20 minutes to make a zipgun in their garage. which was quite common in the 60's and 70's, and 3d printers have now advanced to where anyone that can download a blueprint with their smartphone and had a few grand to spend can crank out as many guns as they want. you can not uninvent technology no matter how much you want to see innocents fall victim to the scum of the earth.

This^

Do you have any idea how many guns are out in the US? How many are unregistered? I have 12 that never saw any sort of paperwork.

My buddy is a mechanical engineer and makes homemade lowers and uppers.

Edit: My point was you will never get guns off the street or out of peoples hands

Guns are woven into our culture and there is way to much money being thrown around to stop them. Even D.C finally saw the light and lifted their gun ban. Responsible gun ownership is MUCH larger then the crime **** heads like you cry about.

There are bans on drugs yet people dying from OD is larger then gun crime. That sure does work out.

[Claeyt]

Imminent threat does NOT have to be with a firearm. The guy already showed he was trying to take the officers gun therefor the threat WAS imminent. When he came back at the officer and did NOT stop that threat was once again imminent. I was trained you STOP the threat if you feel your or others lives are at stake. It was clear the officers was. So he used what force was necessary to stop that force, and as long as that threat continues to come forward you shoot. Please claeyt don't argue on a topic you are unclear on.

You really, really need to ask your superior officer and/or DA what they consider imminent threat from a fleeing suspect, and what your local, state or area legally considers imminent threat for a suspect that's fleeing. In almost all cases you can't shoot a fleeing suspect who's unarmed or hasn't killed anyone.

Yes, Brown posed a physical threat to the officer when he was punching him in the car, and yes he posed a threat to the officer's safety when he turned towards him if he was aggressive. I don't disagree with you on those points, that's why I've stated that the cop was justified in shooting him. Brown did not pose an imminent threat if he had kept running and Wilson would not have been justified in shooting him in the back. That's why the 3 autopsies were so important in clearing him. They all showed that he shot Brown in his front while he was either turning to charge (or possibly surrender). The witness evidence said he may have been charging and he had just punched Wilson through an open window, because of that, in my opinion Wilson had reason to fear for his personal safety when Brown turned towards him instead of getting on the ground like Wilson was yelling for him to do. If Brown had followed Wilson's instructions to get down on the ground, he'd be alive right now.

[Dallane]

Zip guns and printer guns are much less accurate and durable than factory made guns. Zip guns generally only have one shot. Most of the parts of most 3d guns are bought separately and added.

Need to do your research more bud. They aren't as durable but they are easy to make and are very accurate if you know how to do it.

[HolyLight]

Zip guns and printer guns are much less accurate and durable than factory made guns. Zip guns generally only have one shot. Most of the parts of most 3d guns are bought separately and added.

Need to do your research more bud. They aren't as durable but they are easy to make and are very accurate if you know how to do it.

The only extra part required to complete a 3D printed gun in most cases is the fireing pin.

[Claeyt]

Guns are woven into our culture and there is way to much money being thrown around to stop them. Even D.C finally saw the light and lifted their gun ban. Responsible gun ownership is MUCH larger then the crime **** heads like you cry about.

DC didn't "lift their gun ban." The conservative supreme court forced them to change it so that someone could legally own a gun there. Their 'No Gun' ownership rule is what went down.

It took Australia 20 years to get rid of their guns through buy backs and no new sales. Canada has been slowly tightening gun sales and types of guns available for a long time. It wouldn't happen overnight but if tomorrow only wrist-electonic ID'd guns were for sale and the government started buyback programs, then 20-40 years from now our country would be a much safer, happier place with murder and crime rates similar to Canada or Australia. Hell, it'd probably save Mexico from our guns as well.

[Claeyt]

Zip guns and printer guns are much less accurate and durable than factory made guns. Zip guns generally only have one shot. Most of the parts of most 3d guns are bought separately and added.

Need to do your research more bud. They aren't as durable but they are easy to make and are very accurate if you know how to do it.

I meant zip guns. Zip guns use a pipe instead of factory barrels or parts. Durability is definitely a limiting factor for 3-D guns. It'd be easy enough to make 3-D guns illegal to produce anyways. They're already pretty sketchy within the gun laws we have.

[Dallane]

he government started buyback programs

Buy backs would be a good idea if they didn't pay you 50$ for a 1000$ gun. People turning in guns for that kind of price instead of selling them is just insane.

I'll keep my collecting growing as a investment lol

[Dallane]

Zip guns use a pipe instead of factory barrels or parts. Durability is definitely a limiting factor for 3-D guns. It'd be easy enough to make 3-D guns illegal to produce anyways. They're already pretty sketchy within the gun laws we have.

You can rifle a pipe or get a lathe and do it the right way.

3-D guns are getting better and better. People are already printing AR lowers which have a good short term use.