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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby TruthTeller » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:02 pm

Orcling wrote:
Voltaire1512 wrote:The two Nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki do not count as genocide, because they were dropped to force Japan to surrender, not to eradicate the Japanese people from the planet.

So what is your point? That countries start wars for no good reasons? Or that the USA start wars for no good reasons? Talking about double-standards...

The second nuke was a crime though, sort of.
The wapanese surrendered after the first, or tried to, but murrica just had to prove a point.


"Crime" or not is rather irrelevant. Being a crime or not doesn't say anything conclusive about the ethics of the action.
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby darnokpl » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:18 pm

Voltaire1512 wrote:The two Nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki do not count as genocide, because they were dropped to force Japan to surrender, not to eradicate the Japanese people from the planet.

So what is your point? That countries start wars for no good reasons? Or that the USA start wars for no good reasons? Talking about double-standards...


For sure they commited genocide against native americans.

In Japan killing hundreds of thousands civilians to terrorize nation is not a crime? :?
What US did after only few thousands civilians died in wtc?

Problem with US is that they are creating wars, conflicts and military bases all over the world!
If you look at map south korea, afghanistan, iraq, ukraine... now if you connect those dots (US military bases) on map you will see something interesting :)
Yet US is talking how much they care about freedom, that is one more double standard.

I just read http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... -greatest/
About three-in-ten (28%) think that the U.S. “stands above all other countries in the world,”

there was one nation in Europe that thought it is above all other nations and my country was its first victim :|
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby Voltaire1512 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:25 pm

You are from Austria?
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby darnokpl » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:35 pm

Voltaire1512 wrote:You are from Austria?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
The start of the war is generally held to be 1 September 1939, beginning with the German invasion of Poland
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby Voltaire1512 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:00 pm

darnokpl wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
The start of the war is generally held to be 1 September 1939, beginning with the German invasion of Poland


According to that logic, Czechoslovakia was not among Germany`s victims, young Padawan.
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby Dallane » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:50 pm

darnokpl wrote:For sure they commited genocide against native americans.


You clearly do not know what genocide is nor do you know american history.

Al-tho not on as large a scale the Native Americans also committed many atrocities

darnokpl wrote:Problem with US is that they are creating wars, conflicts and military bases all over the world!
If you look at map south korea, afghanistan, iraq, ukraine... now if you connect those dots (US military bases) on map you will see something interesting :)
Yet US is talking how much they care about freedom, that is one more double standard.


You are complaining about the US PAYING the allied country that the base is located in to support them? Do you have any idea how much the US pays for those bases? You know these bases bring a ***** TON of jobs to the country also right?

We have a military base in ukraine?

Wtf dots are you connecting other then the bases are supporting countries against china/russia or supporting operations in the middle east?
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby darnokpl » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:24 am

Dallane wrote:
darnokpl wrote:For sure they commited genocide against native americans.


You clearly do not know what genocide is nor do you know american history.

Al-tho not on as large a scale the Native Americans also committed many atrocities


Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


US created reservations just like hitler created ghettos to jews or I am missing something?

Sure indians commited atrocities to the people that wanted to conquer their lands. You are so blind that in your opinion indians shouldn't even try to defend against that?


Dallane wrote:We have a military base in ukraine?


Since Crimea is no longer part of Ukraine, no.

Dallane wrote:Wtf dots are you connecting other then the bases are supporting countries against china/russia or supporting operations in the middle east?


These bases are to support US business nothing more.
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby Dallane » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:35 am

darnokpl wrote:Sure indians commited atrocities to the people that wanted to conquer their lands. You are so blind that in your opinion indians shouldn't even try to defend against that?


You still don't know american history. I never said either was right in what they did. FYI native americans committed these even before there was any "conquering".

darnokpl wrote:Since Crimea is no longer part of Ukraine, no.


Take off your tin foil hat and stop lying.

Dallane wrote:These bases are to support US business nothing more.

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Grow up.

I like how you address everything but the benefits of having a US base in a country entails.
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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby Lenin » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:49 am

Judaism wrote:Beep
Americans tend to think that they´ve had a great influence on the WW2, it was the Sovjet Union who did the most of it by far.

The Soviets had to rely on U.S. industry shipping goods so that its factories could actually produce what they needed to after good old Stalin's purge. That was one of the few reasons the U.S. was active in Africa and the Middle-East: To build to-soon be damned ports and rails leading to the Soviet Union so that its soldiers no longer had to run into combat without rifles. It took everyone's help to bog down the German military. The Soviets learned that the hard way as they were being put down as the dogs they were in similar fashion to a dog with rabies: in the droves.

Trenial wrote:Beep
For once Cleayt was dead accurate. Holy ****. Mark the History Books. :idea:

Not the first time. Why you are giving a rat's ass is a better question least you be supporting him.

Dallane wrote:Beep
You clearly do not know what genocide is nor do you know american history.

There are only two countries still in existence that attempted and succeeded in killing off the Native American population in droves: Spain and the United States. Now, I'll admit that Hitler tried to "euthanize" the Jews. He tried. The U.S. and Spain succeeded in destroying entire cultures of people and absorbing the rest. The only other Republics who have been able to get away with this in our short history was the Roman Republic and Empire.

I hate to break it to you but that is exactly what genocide is. Cut the liberal-interpretation word bending crap before it gets your tong in a knot.

tack wrote:Beep
so you think two silly little bombs caused the surrender
which do you think was the underlying cause of surrender as opposed to the nice we cant fight against the new bomb get out of jail card to save face announcment.

The entire country was willing to die and neither the U.S. nor Soviets really wanted to deal with that. The bomb was a good excuse for the U.S. to be the victor, on top of the current Emperor never being happy-go-lucky about the war in the first place (The main generals were what pushed it mind you.), alongside the U.S. being a better occupier compared to the Soviets.

Now it would have been funny if the order was given for the entire military stationed in mainland-China and Manchuria to cut the Russian Soviet State in half to its original grassroots. Pity it never happened as now its in risk of becoming Chinese: Even worse than Russian.

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These bases are to support US business nothing more.

No ****. It is called a Republic's interests. They range from exotic goods, political influence, resources, and land. It really can be anything. The entire U.S. military could descend upon Poland in the name of Righteous Pink Rabbits if Congress declared it so in our Republic's interests.

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Re: 'Murica and France

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:58 am

I'm not going to point out names here, but some of you need to learn the histories of your own countries first before you start crying about how any other nation is doing wrong. Remember that hindsight is 20/20 (and to quote a great song, looking back is a bit fuzzy). No nation is innocent from persecution of minorities, genocide, and other crimes against humanity.

I recently heard a discussion about the whole Middle East thing with the Sunnis and Shiites. The effective statement is that this is a growing pain they have to go through, the same Europe went through with the Reformation and the division of the Church and separation from State in the 16th to 18th centuries. Let's just hope nobody gets a loose nuke thrown into the mix. (Maybe the drones can prevent that. ¦] )

Lenin wrote:No ****. It is called a Republic's interests. They range from exotic goods, political influence, resources, and land. It really can be anything. The entire U.S. military could descend upon Poland in the name of Righteous Pink Rabbits if Congress declared it so in our Republic's interests.


More likely they're going to say something about "spreading Democracy" and "promoting the common welfare" of the target nation. (I'm looking at you Mr. Bush.)
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