Its because he is black.

[Dallane]

1. Less guns, if guns are hard to get then eventually we'll run out of them.

Only for us that follow the law.

2. Body cameras for police officers. This generally makes police officers more conscience of how they are using force.

God i would love this. It would protect both officers and civilians

3. 2 cops per car. This would probably of prevented this all from happening. Unfortunately some towns like Ferguson can't afford that.

This unfortunately isn't possible. Budget will never allow this to happen in most areas which is really sad.

4. More black police officers on the force. Ferguson is a newly 'Black' town which is a suburb of St. Louis. Most of the established police and politicians are white. The town has changed dramatically over the last 20 years. The police force hasn't

Not sure how black officers could fix the issue. They would look more like "uncle tom" to your normal black person

5. The militarized response by the police following the first riots is one of the biggest problems in America right now. Tons and tons of military hardware has been given to police forces around the country since 9/11. It's scary how armed they are now.

This is very terrifying. Half the **** they have is 100% not needed

6. Michael Brown shouldn't have hit the cop or gone for his gun. That was just an idiotic thing to do and IN MY OPINION the cop is justified in fearing for his safety at that point.

100%

Again, this could have been prevented but in my opinion Michael Brown was most at fault for how he died. The cop used excessive force by shooting him 12 times and should be fired, not jailed.

Excessive yea but when someone is fearing for their life they act and could go into survival mode. It could of been out of his control.

[Claeyt]

It's the kind of country where there are 300 million.... that's MILLION... guns in it. That's nearly 1/3 of a Billion guns in the United States and everyone including people with mental illness have relatively easy access to them.

Blaming it all on guns is as stupid as it could possibly get.
Much bigger issue are the people who are unable/unwilling to integrate into the normal productive society and are holding their personal beliefs before everything else, especially before their fellow countrymen well being.

You have no idea what you are talking about, civil guns are one of the best things about US and it should be spread world wide.

I have a very good idea of what I'm talking about.

Ask yourself this: Why haven't African-Americans integrated into "the normal productive society"? They've been part of our country and continent for 300 years, why do you think they haven't integrated yet? Why do you think they don't trust societal authority figures like police and local politicians? Why do you think think they fear/hate/mistrust white people? Why do you think they create their own language and culture that differentiates them from white/normal culture?

As for guns:

Our society is one of the most dangerous to live in, in the entire world and it's all because of easy access to guns. Police use deadly force more because they have to face people with guns. If they didn't have to confront someone with the fear that that person is carrying a gun then they would use deadly force less.

The rest of the world thinks we're nuts for allowing guns like we do. They'll never go back to where we're at because that would be idiotic. We are so far behind them now in social issues of safety and crime that it's dragging down our economy and country as a whole.

[Haukeye]

Well.. when I heared on the radio how many people [they mainly looked at the black, non guilty] get killed in the US during police activities I was shocked first. Then I thought I need to check the german figures.
And so I did.

During the last 5 years 30 people have been killed with police weapons. During the 5 years before, it was 38 people. So during the last 10 years, 68 people have been killed. I believe it is way too many - especially after reading that 2/3 of the people were not actually criminals but suicidal people or mainiacs. The police claims to have shot to save their own lives or protect others in those cases.

Putting the german case aside - The US estimation is at 400 kills by policemen per year.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how ... each-year/

And honestly - this has nothing to do with race. I wonder why the police hast to kill so many people at all. What kind of country is it where it becomes necessary to behave like that as a policeman?

I was a cop, and when you walk a mile in their shoes you would then know the answer to your question as to why it happens.

[Claeyt]

1. Less guns, if guns are hard to get then eventually we'll run out of them.

Only for us that follow the law.

The law should include the equivalent of a driver's license to own a gun. Online sales of guns should not be allowed, it's idiotic that we allow it now.

2. Body cameras for police officers.
3. 2 cops per car.

This unfortunately isn't possible. Budget will never allow this to happen in most areas which is really sad.

This is actually very common for urban police forces. Less cars, same amount of cops isn't that much more, it just covers less space. It promotes safety over patrol area.

4. More black police officers on the force. Ferguson is a newly 'Black' town which is a suburb of St. Louis. Most of the established police and politicians are white. The town has changed dramatically over the last 20 years. The police force hasn't

Not sure how black officers could fix the issue. They would look more like "uncle tom" to your normal black person

A more diverse police force lowers the use of excessive force against minorities. White officers are more comfortable around black people because they work with them. Black officers on the scene are seen as more 'safe' by the community and they trust the police force as whole, more.

Again, this could have been prevented but in my opinion Michael Brown was most at fault for how he died. The cop used excessive force by shooting him 12 times and should be fired, not jailed.

Excessive yea but when someone is fearing for their life they act and could go into survival mode. It could of been out of his control.

12 shots fired with none coming at you is waaaaay too many. He panicked and Brown died. He was alone and he was attacked, because of that he used deadly force in an excessive manner, he was justified in protecting himself but once they got down the road it was debatable if he was protecting himself.

[Haukeye]

Clayet are you a cop? I doubt it. As you really have no clue on a couple of your responses.
1. Rural towns and counties CAN NOT afford 2 men per car, and MOST are at such low coverage that it can take up to 15 minutes to even GET backup. I know this as I lived it. Think about how long that is if you were facing a guy hyped up on drugs or alcohol and YOU HAVE to deal/fight him alone.

2. 12 shots was to many? Were you there? If that guy did not stop, I would of also continued to fire until the threat was stopped. Period. As for it being questionable? Was he supposed to just stand there and let him run off? For cryin out loud sometimes I wonder if the civilian population even has a clue what cops have to go through.

[Claeyt]

I personally like how him being shot 6 times as seen by multipul eye witness's, yet all were proven total bullcrap.

Of the 60 people interviewed not one of their stories matched. The only person whos story matched the evidence was the officer.

I've read some of the witness statements now and some of them matched. Some of the African-American witnesses actually said that Brown attacked him in his car and then turned to face him. The officer's statement was actually fuzzy in some ways. He reported that Brown was reaching into his belt or pants when he turned. When it comes down to it enough people backed up his account that it seemed correct.

Plz god don't bring up banning of guns. This would be a extremely impossible task for America to ever accomplish.

Other countries with gun ownership ratios similar to ours have dramatically reduced guns and murder to an incredible amount by making guns extremely hard to own (Australia). Other countries have similar ownership laws and amounts to ours (Canada), but basic differences like ID licensing, deeper background checks for mental illness or domestic violence, online sales being under full purchase laws, and national laws instead of state by state laws have lead to a much safer society with less crime and death.

[Darwoth]

you cant "just buy a gun online" jackass, all online firearm transfers go through an FFL and must be accompanied with a 4473 just like every other gun purchase in the country.

the singular exception to this rule is the private sale sale of USED guns that are ALREADY registered with a 4473 and ALREADY have a papertrail attached to them and even then they can only be sold owner to owner without doing a fresh round of paperwork within that same state.

furthermore it would take anyone with basic firearm knowledge about 20 minutes to make a zipgun in their garage. which was quite common in the 60's and 70's, and 3d printers have now advanced to where anyone that can download a blueprint with their smartphone and had a few grand to spend can crank out as many guns as they want. you can not uninvent technology no matter how much you want to see innocents fall victim to the scum of the earth.



also do not even start on the trayvon/zimmerman ****. much like this incident trayvon was a ***** thug who attacked someone and got shot for it, in that instance he broke mr zimmermans nose and was in the process of sitting on him slamming his head into the pavement.

[Inotdead]

Ask yourself this: Why haven't African-Americans integrated into "the normal productive society"? They've been part of our country and continent for 300 years, why do you think they haven't integrated yet? Why do you think they don't trust societal authority figures like police and local politicians? Why do you think think they fear/hate/mistrust white people? Why do you think they create their own language and culture that differentiates them from white/normal culture?

What kind of position is that? The ones who wanted to integrate in fact did so, or are you willing to tell me, that there are no employed/productive African-Americans?
The others hold to the mentality of being oppressed/owed to as I stated in my first post in this thread which is only further fueled by the media about the "evil white man",
There is too much focus on underlining the differences between cultures, which should be shifted to underlining how important it is to work together as a nation.

Regarding guns, I don't think that the most crimes are done with registered guns and I believe that regulated sales are better than no sales at all. Or non-lethal weaponry perhaps?
Think about it this way: if someone manages to get a hold on a gun in any of the EU countries, he is 100% sure that no one except for the police is able to respond.

[Claeyt]

Clayet are you a cop? I doubt it. As you really have no clue on a couple of your responses.
1. Rural towns and counties CAN NOT afford 2 men per car, and MOST are at such low coverage that it can take up to 15 minutes to even GET backup. I know this as I lived it. Think about how long that is if you were facing a guy hyped up on drugs or alcohol and YOU HAVE to deal/fight him alone.

No I'm not a cop. Like I said, Urban police forces usually work with partners. Rural towns do not. It's a matter of officer safety versus coverage. I agree, rural towns should have more coverage for better response time. Urban police forces can generally flood an area with partnered cops. Most places do a mix of the two based on need and the area they're covering.

2. 12 shots was to many? Were you there? If that guy did not stop, I would of also continued to fire until the threat was stopped. Period. As for it being questionable? Was he supposed to just stand there and let him run off? For cryin out loud sometimes I wonder if the civilian population even has a clue what cops have to go through.

One of the biggest problems with police use of force is the shoot to kill requirement. A drunken college kid was shot in my town last year as he was stumbled towards the officer. The officer shot him 3 times even though he was clearly drunk and unarmed. He was fired. The final shot that hit Brown went through the top of his head as he was falling forward supposedly. He was still 5-8 yards away from the cop. The cop was alone and panicked in my opinion. He nearly emptied his gun at this guy who was not shooting back. I don't blame him for that because I wasn't there. I'm sure his adrenaline was pumping. I'm pretty sure that police officers can't shoot fleeing suspects, at the least there are real hard guidelines to shooting someone who's running away. Imminent threat and stuff like that. Imminent threat requires that he be armed in most cases if I remember right.

[HolyLight]

Clayet are you a cop? I doubt it. As you really have no clue on a couple of your responses.
1. Rural towns and counties CAN NOT afford 2 men per car, and MOST are at such low coverage that it can take up to 15 minutes to even GET backup. I know this as I lived it. Think about how long that is if you were facing a guy hyped up on drugs or alcohol and YOU HAVE to deal/fight him alone.

No I'm not a cop. Like I said, Urban police forces usually work with partners. Rural towns do not. It's a matter of officer safety versus coverage. I agree, rural towns should have more coverage for better response time. Urban police forces can generally flood an area with partnered cops. Most places do a mix of the two based on need and the area they're covering.

2. 12 shots was to many? Were you there? If that guy did not stop, I would of also continued to fire until the threat was stopped. Period. As for it being questionable? Was he supposed to just stand there and let him run off? For cryin out loud sometimes I wonder if the civilian population even has a clue what cops have to go through.

One of the biggest problems with police use of force is the shoot to kill requirement. A drunken college kid was shot in my town last year as he was stumbled towards the officer. The officer shot him 3 times even though he was clearly drunk and unarmed. He was fired. The final shot that hit Brown went through the top of his head as he was falling forward supposedly. He was still 5-8 yards away from the cop. The cop was alone and panicked in my opinion. He nearly emptied his gun at this guy who was not shooting back. I don't blame him for that because I wasn't there. I'm sure his adrenaline was pumping. I'm pretty sure that police officers can't shoot fleeing suspects, at the least there are real hard guidelines to shooting someone who's running away. Imminent threat and stuff like that. Imminent threat requires that he be armed in most cases if I remember right.

Humans do not need a weapon to cause imminent threat to other humans around them.

My hands would quite easily snap most people's neck in less than a couple of seconds if i was within 5 yards of them and about to dive on them, given the right motivation of course.