The Trump / Russia Controversy

[TotalyMeow]

It's funny how often you refer to this dossier without ever actually quoting it. You also claim that some RNC language was changed, but you don't say what.

It's a nice little graphic you posted there. You know a lot of American businessmen and politicians have contacts with Russia and with various other foreign countries as well. It doesn't matter that there was contact or business ties or who is being investigated. Almost anyone can be investigated for almost any reason and it doesn't really mean anything. What matters is evidence of wrongdoing. Let's see a summary of things they did which were wrong. And I mean actually illegal, not 'okay when a Democrat does it, but not when a Republican does illegal'.

[Claeyt]

It's funny how often you refer to this dossier without ever actually quoting it. You also claim that some RNC language was changed, but you don't say what.

They specifically softened the language on the Russian invasion of Crimea and cut out the language about selling weapons to Ukraine so that it could protect itself.

The dossier has been available online for months:

dossier: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... tions.html

wikipedia article explaining timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... ia_dossier

Breaking today:

FBI director Comey met today with the Gang of Eight (majority and minority leadership and majority and minority intelligence committee heads) to talk about FBI actions concerning possible FISA warrant wire taps of Trump tower before and after the election along with possible other revelations coming from the FBI investigation.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/fbi-dire ... ource.html

Also breaking today,

http://www.gq.com/story/trump-advisor-r ... one-russia

Roger Stone, who worked in the Trump campaign had direct contact with the GRU led hacking group 'Gucifer 2.0' via twitter pm's BEFORE 'Gucifer 2.0' was outed by U.S. intelligence as those responsible for hacking the DNC and Clinton campaign.

Stone has admitted to contact, when asked about the contact today, but not to coordination.

Also breaking today,

In a speech transcript revealed today Russian ambassador Kislyak denied meeting anyone in Trump's campaign in October even though it's now been proven that prior to that he had met with Flynn, Sessions, Jared Kuchner and possibly Cohen and Trump on several occasions before the denial.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/ ... index.html

Also breaking today,

Disgraced former NSA head Michael Flynn was payed $530,000 by the Turkish government to act as an unregistered 'foreign agent lobbyist' DURING the campaign while he was also being payed by the Trump campaign.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/s ... eign-agent

Drip...

Drip..

Drip.

[Dallane]

BREAKING: IRS Finds 6,924 Documents Related to Obama Tea Party Targeting -- Two Years After FOIA Request

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/com ... elated_to/

[AcidSpiral]

It's funny how often you refer to this dossier without ever actually quoting it. You also claim that some RNC language was changed, but you don't say what.

They specifically softened the language on the Russian invasion of Crimea and cut out the language about selling weapons to Ukraine so that it could protect itself.

The dossier has been available online for months:

dossier: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... tions.html

wikipedia article explaining timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... ia_dossier

Breaking today:

FBI director Comey met today with the Gang of Eight (majority and minority leadership and majority and minority intelligence committee heads) to talk about FBI actions concerning possible FISA warrant wire taps of Trump tower before and after the election along with possible other revelations coming from the FBI investigation.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/fbi-dire ... ource.html

Also breaking today,

http://www.gq.com/story/trump-advisor-r ... one-russia

Roger Stone, who worked in the Trump campaign had direct contact with the GRU led hacking group 'Gucifer 2.0' via twitter pm's BEFORE 'Gucifer 2.0' was outed by U.S. intelligence as those responsible for hacking the DNC and Clinton campaign.

Stone has admitted to contact, when asked about the contact today, but not to coordination.

Also breaking today,

In a speech transcript revealed today Russian ambassador Kislyak denied meeting anyone in Trump's campaign in October even though it's now been proven that prior to that he had met with Flynn, Sessions, Jared Kuchner and possibly Cohen and Trump on several occasions before the denial.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/ ... index.html

Also breaking today,

Disgraced former NSA head Michael Flynn was payed $530,000 by the Turkish government to act as an unregistered 'foreign agent lobbyist' DURING the campaign while he was also being payed by the Trump campaign.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/s ... eign-agent

Drip...

Drip..

Drip.

You've really opened by eyes. Keep fighting the good fight comrade.

[TotalyMeow]

The dossier has been available online for months:

dossier: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... tions.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/fbi-dire ... ource.html

http://www.gq.com/story/trump-advisor-r ... one-russia

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/ ... index.html

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/s ... eign-agent

Lol, I know it's been online, I've read it. That doesn't mean I want to reread it every time you claim 'more parts have been confirmed'. So far, there's been like one thing that you say is confirmed that I remember actually being in that dossier. The part where Russia sold some of its resources to someone. Otherwise, there's been nothing and you can't even give a quote of what is supposedly being confirmed when you claim it is.

As for your articles, the first one says some people met with Comey and no one has a clue what they talked about, but the speculate that it had to do with confirmation that Obama did tap the Trump Tower during the election.

The second one says this Stone guy happened to interact with a Twitter account that thousands or millions of others interacted with before anyone knew that it might be owned by Russians, and there's no evidence he did wrong or meant to do wrong.

Your third article is a sort of confused mishmash of attempts to imply that the Russian diplomat is conspiring with everyone he's ever shook hands with. They guy meets dozens of people a month. Hundreds when he goes to events and starts shaking hands. The same is true of all members of congress. They've all met people and then forgotten it because they meet people all the damn day long. This article tries to conflate a few chance handshakes with people involved with Turmp into a conspiracy, but do you know how many Democrats have also met the guy and then said in some hearing or other that they didn't, or didn't recall meeting him, or might have but have no memory of what was discussed? At least as many as there have been Republicans.

Your fourth article actually says this: "Flynn’s company, Flynn Intel Group, had accepted the Turkish businessman Kamil Ekim Alptekin’s company as a client." Not quite Flynn himself working for the Turkish Government. It also says that he has registered, as required. But even if he did something shady here, he's not the NSA anymore, was fired for this sort of thing, and there's no evidence Trump knew about it until he found out and did fire him. So, I guess maybe more proof that Trump made the right call replacing him.

So far, all this investigation has been a waste of money, keeps turning up goose eggs, and has only shown that there was some questionable stuff going on in the Obama administration with regards to wiretapping. I'm personally much more concerned with the fiasco that is the emerging 'Trumpcare' reform bills looking more and more like Obamacare Lite and completely useless in it's own right. Trump's done some good things so far, and just having him in office seems to be almost miraculously doing good things to the economy and illegal immigrant rates, but this allowing 'Obamacare' to keep a foothold in our government is a real blow to our freedoms. Not as bad as if Hillary had managed to take the next intended step, but certainly not good.

[Dallane]

To be fair obamacare lite is from the soros golden boy paul ryan. Rand Paul is the person actually working with the president for a real change, hopefully what was said during his speech.

[Claeyt]

This week, both of the Intelligence committees and the Senate Judicial committee are finally starting to put people under oath about the ongoing investigations into collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russian Intelligence and the apparent ongoing possible cover-up of those connections.

The head of the FBI is set to testify publicly for the first time tomorrow. Congressmen have stated that others will be receiving subpoenas including probably disgraced former NSA head Flynn, Trump's lawyer Cohen, Trump's former campaign manager Manafort and campaign adviser Rodger Stone.

Here's Rep. Schiff talking about the committee's upcoming actions and confirming there is circumstantial evidence of collusion along with direct evidence of deception on the part of the Trump campaign members.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politic ... ns-n735391

[Crithammer]

So why is creating a Russo-American alliance a bad thing? Isn't it what we need to really keep China in check and heal ex-soviet wounds? Sometimes it seems like the only reason people hate Trump meeting Putin and the Duma members and what not is because they need dirt on him and want to slander. Uniting superpowers isn't a bad thing, especially when they're the two most powerful superpowers on the face of the Earth. Debate me pls.

[Bleuwulf]

BREAKING: IRS Finds 6,924 Documents Related to Obama Tea Party Targeting -- Two Years After FOIA Request

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/com ... elated_to/

This. it's hilarious watching folks rant over "Democrat vs. Republican" as if its some kind of tangible,winnable thing...

I've a bad spoiler for all of you

There is only ONE "party" and none of US were invited.

[saltmummy]

Debate me pls.

No. Stop. Woe be to those who enter here. Here there be serpents. Danger, danger Will Robinson. Just stop.
Claeyt is not one to be "debated." He is willfully ignorant of facts to a dangerous degree. The constant "debate" between he, Meow, Dallane, and occasionally Darwoth should be proof of that. I say "debate," what they really are is Claeyt unbaling his flaccid member to release yet another flood of indigent, hateful, urine spiced here and there with his own brand of patronizing racism while Dallane and Meow try desperately and misguidedly to use reason to get him to cut it the hell out right up until the moment where he flips his **** and gets banned. There are several novel sized threads filled with likewise novel sized posts to dig through that you can take as examples, if you have a few weeks to read through it all. He takes logical arguments with factual sources and simply discards them out of hand, cherry picks what he wants to hear from a small selection of articles which may or may not say what he claims they are saying (usually they don't) and spews them out as "news," only to ignore the objections and counterpoints when they are actually looked at and questioned. As a debate "opponent," he is little more than a squealing child. The best arguments with the best information presented by you will go unaddressed as any information he doesn't agree with is discarded without even looking at or scrutinizing it. Like many of his ilk, when confronted with information he cannot ignore and cannot argue, he will degenerate to insults, shouting, and in rare cases, threats. Such behavior in a real debate usually results in an automatic forfeit on his side of the forum, but this isn't a real forum of debate. It's a forum on the internet. You do not debate Claeyt, you either ignore him or beg Dallane/Meow to ban him so that he can stop bringing our collective IQ and the forums quality down. By responding in this or any other thread he makes, you empower his astounding ignorance/arrogance and help spread his "claegue." In the end, you'll just get frustrated when you realize you aren't getting anywhere and leave, at which point he will claim "victory" by default.

I've a bad spoiler for all of you

There is only ONE "party" and none of US were invited.

That's alright, we can start our own party. With hookers and blackjack. as overused as that joke is...