Coup in Turkey

[Claeyt]

You have never been to this country and have no idea what ***** you just spewed. For the most part the people there like americans until they get pissy. I've had friends and coworkers there when they strike at the BX and attack Americans who try and cross the picket lines to get things they need. You 100% can not trust the people there for the most part.

Who says I haven't been to Turkey. I spent a day in Istanbul on my way through once. Beautiful city. I highly recommend it. I've got 2 friends still living there for all I know, although I haven't talked to them in awhile. I've got a Kurdish friend and I know several Turkish soccer fans here in Madison. I also know a Turkish-American Hipster girl who owns this awesome Turkish/Persian restaurant here. Her immigrant parents hung out drinking tea all day and her dad has this great mustache. I'd have loved to have asked her out but she had a boyfriend at the time. I still stop by for takeout once in awhile.

btw all of them hate Erdogan and were from the areas that don't support him.

[Amnezia88]

The Russian jet was shot down by the national air defense which is probably controlled by Erdogan. He was the one who had warned the Russians about cross border fly overs.

As for who knows who would come to power... I do, and I'm guessing most of Turkey and NATO and even Russia would as well. It'll be a group of colonels and officers from somewhat rich families in Istanbul who trace their family history to being in the Armed forces with Ataturk. They'll be non-religious. They'll support NATO and Europe over the Middle-East and they'll have the support of Istanbul and other pockets of liberalism in the country including the Media, the Economic players and the non-religious.

Again, I don't know if this is good for Putin. Erdogan wouldn't support a no-fly zone or a safe zone for Syrians. This may happen now and it'll hurt the Syrian government.

The whole 'crossed the border' is a thing up for debate. A lot of news and information indicates the plane was still within Syrian borders.

If it will be a group that has family history with Ataturk then they wont support Nato and Europe, for Europe is currently very, very pro-Islam and doesn't dare to come out and tell the people that Turkey is being ruled by an Islamic Dictator and his buddies who wish nothing more then a Caliphate....much like their brothers in Syria.
If this military coup succeeds and their leaders being less Islamic and supporting the Syrians and Russians in their fight against the so-called 'Syrian Freedom Fighters' aka ISIS will be a good thing for the government.

[Heffernan]

Speaking about Erdogan...

"You cannot put women and men on an equal footing. It is against nature. They were created differently. Their nature is different. …Our religion (Islam) has defined a position for women: motherhood. …Some people can understand this, while others can't. You cannot explain this to feminists because they don't accept the concept of motherhood."

"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..."

[Amnezia88]

Religion is a powerfull weapon as is being displayed as we speak.
The Great Leader has called upon it's people to get out into the streets while the millitary said 'stay inside dangit!'. Oh boy!
So all the Sunni Erdofans of the land ( which are alot ) are going out to get buckwild in the streets. Egypt 2.0 ?

[Heffernan]

[Dallane]

You have never been to this country and have no idea what ***** you just spewed. For the most part the people there like americans until they get pissy. I've had friends and coworkers there when they strike at the BX and attack Americans who try and cross the picket lines to get things they need. You 100% can not trust the people there for the most part.

Who says I haven't been to Turkey. I spent a day in Istanbul on my way through once. Beautiful city. I highly recommend it. I've got 2 friends still living there for all I know, although I haven't talked to them in awhile. I've got a Kurdish friend and I know several Turkish soccer fans here in Madison. I also know a Turkish-American Hipster girl who owns this awesome Turkish/Persian restaurant here. Her immigrant parents hung out drinking tea all day and her dad has this great mustache. I'd have loved to have asked her out but she had a boyfriend at the time. I still stop by for takeout once in awhile.

btw all of them hate Erdogan and were from the areas that don't support him.

Good to see your typical "I'm friends with black people" line.

[Claeyt]

The Russian jet was shot down by the national air defense which is probably controlled by Erdogan. He was the one who had warned the Russians about cross border fly overs.

As for who knows who would come to power... I do, and I'm guessing most of Turkey and NATO and even Russia would as well. It'll be a group of colonels and officers from somewhat rich families in Istanbul who trace their family history to being in the Armed forces with Ataturk. They'll be non-religious. They'll support NATO and Europe over the Middle-East and they'll have the support of Istanbul and other pockets of liberalism in the country including the Media, the Economic players and the non-religious.

Again, I don't know if this is good for Putin. Erdogan wouldn't support a no-fly zone or a safe zone for Syrians. This may happen now and it'll hurt the Syrian government.

The whole 'crossed the border' is a thing up for debate. A lot of news and information indicates the plane was still within Syrian borders.

This is Russian propaganda and is absolutely false. Turkish radar, Israeli radar and American Radar have all shown it clearly went over Turkish airspace after 2 warnings in English and Turkish.

If it will be a group that has family history with Ataturk then they wont support Nato and Europe, for Europe is currently very, very pro-Islam and doesn't dare to come out and tell the people that Turkey is being ruled by an Islamic Dictator and his buddies who wish nothing more then a Caliphate....much like their brothers in Syria.
If this military coup succeeds and their leaders being less Islamic and supporting the Syrians and Russians in their fight against the so-called 'Syrian Freedom Fighters' aka ISIS will be a good thing for the government.

The Turkish military is not a fan of Russia. If anything they'll support NATO and Europe. They'll support Syrian opposition over Assad and not support ISIS. I think that this actually will mostly help Syrian refugees overall with a possible safe zone and no-fly zone for refugee areas.

[Amnezia88]

The Turkish military is not a fan of Russia. If anything they'll support NATO and Europe. They'll support Syrian opposition over Assad and not support ISIS. I think that this actually will mostly help Syrian refugees overall with a possible safe zone and no-fly zone for refugee areas.

Sigh...after all these years you still believe there is an honest, modest, secular and serious opposition for the Assad regime?
If the people of this land(or it's military as we saw in Egypt and now in Turkey) really wanted him gone, he would've been long gone already and it ain't just because of Russia and Iran.
The current opposition in whatever way you might call them are extremist, it has been proven over and over again.
America and EU supporting the 'modest' groups and WOOPS the next day they turn out to be extremist. 'Oh well we did it with the best intentions' they'll say.

So supporting the current opposition is like supporting Islamic extremist and that is just the reason ( or so they say ) the military took over Turkey from it's current rulers.
The military is saying that Erdogan and his crew has been violating human rights in so many ways for quite some time and is now fed up with it before it gets worse.

Hence, if there be new leaders, they won't support or they will stop supporting the Syrian opposition aka IS/Al-Nusra/SnackbarAkbarCrew or whatever they call themselves these days.

EDIT: Missed the part of the 'Russian Propaganda' about the plane.
Like i said it's up for debate, you can't be sure about these radar newsmessages as much as i can't be sure. Thinking about it in a logic way though, it's very strange that a modern Jet doesn't know when it's crossing borders and even when getting warned continues in his direction. The 'propaganda' as you call it is making much more sense to me then the media that's saying these things. This same source of yours is probably claiming that Assad is shooting schools, markets, hospitals and steals old people's medicine or something

[Darwoth]

This is Russian propaganda and is absolutely false. Turkish radar, Israeli radar and American Radar have all shown it clearly went over Turkish airspace after 2 warnings in English and Turkish.

the plane crossed the border for mere seconds over a small 1.5 - 2 mile protrusion, everywhere else in the world this results in an escort out of the airspace or more often someone slightly ***** about it since the plane is already long gone. not a pair of f16s that were already scrambled and waiting immediately shooting down a plane that was not suited for air to air combat because erdogans terrorist buddies were getting owned by the russians.

[Claeyt]

Like i said it's up for debate

No, this is not up for debate. It is fact and was proven in a U.N. Security Council meeting. Only Russian propaganda would say it's still debatable.

It's actually very easy for a plane to cross a border without knowing it.

As for the Syrian opposition, I actually agree with you that less than 20% of of the current "opposition" is non-Islamic. The Nusra Front (Al-Quaeda ally) and ISIS make up the majority of the opposition and that's clear. That being said the vast majority of the Syrian people are not members of either of them.

I don't think the Russians or Assad's supporters realize that there's really no way for him to stay in power. There's no way for him to stay after the gas attacks and the war. The Opposition won't give up as long as he's the leader and if Russia pulled him out they could probably put in a puppet leader who was Sunni government supporter who would protect the status quo. If he doesn't go they'll be there for the next 20 years. There's no way for the Alawites to control the majority Sunni population. They're too small in population.

the plane crossed the border for mere seconds over a small 1.5 - 2 mile protrusion

I agree with you that Erdogan finally shot one down to help the Opposition and that his supporters have been helping ISIS with weapons and oil buys. If I remember right (I'll go look it up) the Russian jet had actually been bombing the non-ISIS rebels in Aleppo. Russian planes had crossed the same protrusion several times before both that day and in the days before and there were many, many warnings at the moment and previous to it. Turkey was justified in shooting it down and the Russians then just moved south a bit.

This is all old news and has been finalized in the U.N. why are we arguing about it?

The best hope for all now in my opinion is that they split the country into different countries with an Allawite/Shiite/Christian coastal area including Damascus as it's capital and then the West along with Turkey and Russia defeating ISIS and creating a Sunni/Kurd area with Aleppo as it's capital. It's possible that the Kurd's will probably come out the biggest winners of all of this and take a small chunk as well. Either way the artificially created country of Syria would cease to exist and both would rebuild.