I know it's been mentioned before but.. Lime?

[Ferax]

Thank you.

Ok, so yesterday I made a new alt and walked in a straight line west for five solid hours.

I did see a 3-4 of lime deposits, most tiny, one entirely deleted, but in areas that looked very unattractive. And for those 3-4 sites I covered a truly huge distance.

Actually, the further west I go the more populated it seems to get. I saw very many claimed but adorned lean-tos where people have their home set but have done absolutely nothing with them, and quite a few stronghold settlements. Things I pretty much don't see at all in my original vicinity.

But now more than ever I feel the lime situation is chronic. 5 hours is a long long time.
I also noticed that the established and developed places had no blacksmithing I could see. They were purely agricultural.

I'm starting to get a lot of hassle with rivers, and the aimless walking of similar looking terrain without the sought after resource is wearing down on me. I think I'll just stay in my original plot were there seems to be everything I need (with some inconvenient effort, but I can accept that), as I never see anyone there, despite Providence not being hugely far away.

Thanks for the suggestions and perhaps when my RL biles are regenerated I'll have another look.

[belgear]

I will trade you 10 pieces of lime per 1 gardening pot. Forever. PM if you are interested

[Ferax]

Thank you for that, Belgear.

Reviresco has already kindly offered to supply lime if I need. Presumably you would require the pot unburned to be carryable?

At this I'm pretty sure I cant carry lime unburdened.

Where I am there is lime obtainable with effort. It's just folks have been advising me to relocate. I'm a bit reluctant to establish a fully developed home where a vital resource is dependent on another person just yet. Just.. unforeseen things can happen.

But in future I may take you both up on your kind offers

[jcwilk]

At this I'm pretty sure I cant carry lime unburdened.

As long as you have humors at least around 20-30, the skill Packrat (10 extra kilos), and a backpack (20 lime half weight, so another 10 lime) you should be able to carry quite a bit of lime each trip without being encumbered.

Also, if you make a couple alts with barkpacks you can parallelize the transfer process. Actually, if you don't want to depend on others, you could simply gather up a ton of lime into boxes at that not-so-near pit and then use your main from the pit and a few alts from your base (or vice versa if you're worried about safety) to port it through town using multiple windows/accounts. Inconvenient, but more efficient in the long run than running it back and forth for huge quantities. If you set up a little quarrying mini settlement there with a bunch of alts you could continue to use it for that purpose even after you move, if you do move.

Been fun following your progress, the humility and novelty of the perspective of new players compared to the sometimes insufferable ego of the veterans is refreshing

[Ferax]

Thank you very much for the kind comments! Other than the hugely disturbing Trump thread (noy going to sink me paddle in that river, but geez) the player base here seem so nice.

I want to thank everyone who's taken the time to respond to my ramblings

I don't quite follow the suggestion about using boxes and porting. Is it possible to port while lifting something?

So far what I've done is made a sled and dragged two boulders back to base. That wasn't too bad, and now with the initial block I got I have three boulders to work with. Hopefully that'll last me for a while.

So, on the smelting side, I have in my smelter 11 lime and the rest ore, as the wiki seems to suggest. Am I right in reading that that will give me just one pig iron bar, or is it 180% x the number of ores?

I really should ask that on another thread, but note previous comment about rambling!

[jcwilk]

I don't quite follow the suggestion about using boxes and porting. Is it possible to port while lifting something?

I'll explain this very explicitly in case you're not familiar with the process since it's a useful trick, particularly for lime which can't always be sourced from nearby one's base. Apologies if you're already familiar with some of the mechanics:

- Station one or more alts (alternate characters) at the lime pit using new world surveys to teleport them there.
- One new account per alt so that you can log into all of them at once in multiple windows, may require a computer with a good amount of RAM depending on how many, just open the client up again for each alt and alt-tab between the windows to control them
- Get one or more of the alts to quarrying so they can dig up the lime
- Get them lots of food, maybe lumberjack frikadels or trail mix
- Build a bunch of boxes near the pit
- Fill all the boxes with lime grinding away with your alts
- Get your alts barkparks and maybe grind their yellow blood (better carrying) and phlegm (more efficient for food/digging) up
- Fill their inventories and barkpacks with lime until they're full and port to town
- Take your main character from your base and port to town
- Fill up your main's inventory with lime from the alts by trading at a barrel
- Port back to your base with your main (which can likely hold much more than an individual alt)
- Repeat until all the lime is transferred

The more alts, the more efficient the process... You may also want alts in addition to your main to port it to your base. This process is called "alt porting" and is useful for transporting materials to anywhere in the map. It's more difficult now than it used to be due to the weight restrictions, but if you're planning on doing it many times it can be worth the initial investment of buffing up your alts a bit.

So, on the smelting side, I have in my smelter 11 lime and the rest ore, as the wiki seems to suggest. Am I right in reading that that will give me just one pig iron bar, or is it 180% x the number of ores?

As far as I understand that page is out of date and the current formula depends, in part, on your Mines & Mountains. From what I could find on the forums, one of the admins would only say as much as "A little bit more ore than lime is optimal efficiency" so I usually do 13 ore and 12 lime and that gives me 2 bars per load, 3 bars every 5 load... so... around 220%, though I suspect that would increase if my M&M was higher.

I think they bumped up the efficiency of smelters to reduce the value of pig iron to balance with there now being more valuable types of iron which require additional processing (wrought, blistersteel) and to make iron a more attainable resource for low tech settlements (makes nails, metal tools, etc cheaper)

[Ferax]

Aha, yes, that's clear regarding the porting. What with Belgear willing to trade gardening pots and the mention of boxes I was beginning to wonder

As for the iron bars... yuck!
I guess my planned Wild Wild West giant metal killer spider is going to take a while..

[belgear]

Darwoth already has one of those. He uses it to travel the map wrekting all the lime nodes he can find (to prevent others from being able to make one.) A decent way to spend 10000 bars I guess. I thought you were a noob, how did you know about the giant mech spider it is a fairly end game skill

[Ferax]

*shakes fist at passing giant robot spider*

Damn you, Darwoth! Damn you!

[Reviresco]

I think with enough rope and enough pocket watches we can take down his spider AT-AT style.