Jorb where are you?!

[Snowpig]

sorry to disappoint you folks, but i doubt that implementing witchcraft/riding &c would remedy the situation in the mid/long term. Jorb is right, when he says that they need another round at the drawing board. This is because this game has still a big pink elefant in the room (aka design flaw) which is called "missing/not enough endgame content, which keeps the people playing the game".

[TeckXKnight]

sorry to disappoint you folks, but i doubt that implementing witchcraft/riding &c would remedy the situation in the mid/long term. Jorb is right, when he says that they need another round at the drawing board. This is because this game has still a big pink elefant in the room (aka design flaw) which is called "missing/not enough endgame content, which keeps the people playing the game".

I will continue to want these things regardless and you can't stop me.

[dunehammer2014]

we cant expect a sandbox could be a magical bag where u can find endless and diffent things from it.Salem's problem is there is too few implements contents.Just provide enough variety, let our players to find each ones endgame content, i think the witch craft, animal breeding, more craft, more monsters will sure help a lot to this situation.

[Whiskybob]

I quit a week ago. This game has no future. I find watching grass grow far more entertaining than this.

[Snowpig]

sorry to disappoint you folks, but i doubt that implementing witchcraft/riding &c would remedy the situation in the mid/long term. Jorb is right, when he says that they need another round at the drawing board. This is because this game has still a big pink elefant in the room (aka design flaw) which is called "missing/not enough endgame content, which keeps the people playing the game".

I will continue to want these things regardless and you can't stop me.

Oh, i do not want to stop anybody. But I try to do something which is called expectation management. Do not fool yourself thinking that "everything will become good" as soon as witchcraft, undead ponies &c. will be in the game.

[jorb]

sorry to disappoint you folks, but i doubt that implementing witchcraft/riding &c would remedy the situation in the mid/long term. Jorb is right, when he says that they need another round at the drawing board. This is because this game has still a big pink elefant in the room (aka design flaw) which is called "missing/not enough endgame content, which keeps the people playing the game".

Hmmm? How is missing endgame content a design flaw, rather than precisely the lack of content that the systems Teck mentioned might relieve?

[Snowpig]

Hmmm? How is missing endgame content a design flaw, rather than precisely the lack of content that the systems Teck mentioned might relieve?

Quite easy - lets go from point to point:
- mounts (horses, &c.): ok, you have now a land-"canoe": you will be able to move faster, reach some points of interest quicker and get your job done in shorter time. So people will simply shorten the time until they log off the game.

- cattle: this would become a sort of "big-size" turkey coop you have to babysit each and every day, get food for the animals, butcher them &c. Just judging from my own experience I find holding/feeding turkeys a big chore, because it forces you to do repeatedly the same tasks almost every day. And i doubt that the cattle system would do much better in that point.

- witchcraft: ok, we would have x new craftable structures (or even none, since the cauldron is already in the game) and y new gatherable items and z craftable items. Judging from the witchcraft-video you would be able to do "stuff" to items and other players. Ok, and what will you do after have being done that stuff?

[jorb]

Endgame content, by definition, can't very well allow you to do very many new things, can it?

I am not arguing that the game doesn't have both design flaws and a lack of content (endgame and otherwise). I just wouldn't equate the two.

[Snowpig]

In my opinion they go hand in hand - but: a good game design with no endgame content is a combination which has some potential, because it supports possible/future content. And in my opinion you have made a very good game design with tons of potential, but you did not fully unleash it. . It would be much worse to have a bad design and no endgame content, because it would multiply the effort to make some.

But one weakness you still did not address: How does the game motivate the player to keep playing beyond 3 months, after have built a base and done some raiding/been raided?

EDIT: i just put in google following search term: "What did the american colonists do for fun?" - back came a waggon full of ideas one could imagine having in Salem - just as a small pointer.

[Tamasin]

i want all those nice things very much but mostly i will be happy if i can just have raiding as endgame content and not have to spend many months waiting on tedious gluttony system timers to get to it. some sort of tweaking could easily provide that. raiding seems to me more endgame than looking after cows anyway lol. though i do want those cows real bad... and witchcraft