i hope claeyt is ok

[Darwoth]

As it turns out, it sends more like he was conflicted in his own homosexual feelings and the vindictive that his religion had. Most likely because he has such a prominent father, that he lashed out on his own insecurities and used ISIS in an attempt to cover it up and reclaim his manhood so to speak.

This was all about a guy who couldn't come out. So he went nuts.

...and he was able to buy the type of gun and large ammo clips that could kill 49 people and injure 54 people in less than 10 minutes.

actually what happened ***** is he went in and started shooting, and an off duty cop. the ONE guy in the bar with the gun (instead of 20 - 40 that it normally would be in florida out of 350 people) started shooting back so he kicked rocks, he then went back into a different area of the bar and killed everyone at leisure talking **** to them while he did it.

it took THREE HOURS for him to casually kill all those people because he was in no rush in a building full of unarmed people, as evidence at the start of the attack had EVEN ONE PERSON in the other area if the bar been ARMED the vast majority of those people may be alive today. thank yourself and your horse **** belief system for the fact they could not do anything but send ***** up text messages begging for help until they were killed you self righteous piece of ****.

[saltmummy]

I heard someone say guns. Putting restrictions on guns wouldn't really solve the problem anyway. All it would do is make things like these:



Far more common. If someone wants a gun, legal or not, they will get it. It isn't hard to improvise a firearm. What's difficult is improvising a good one. With enough know how though, it can be done.

[Darwoth]

don't show claeyt the 400 dollar 3d printers that have been making ar15 receivers/parts (the rifle the shooter used) for the last year and a half with little more than blank of stock material and 30 seconds downloading the blueprints, his head might explode and contaminate innocent bystanders with liberalism

[Claeyt]

This doesn't happen in countries with rational gun laws.

France. Another country terrorized by muslims.

...and those guns had to be smuggled in from Ukraine via Belgium.

I'm actually very normal. Most Americans believe that gay and transvestite people deserve all the same rights we have to marry, live or work where they want and most Americans believe that our gun laws are insane.

Not true at all. You live in a very different part of America that has almost zero resemblance to what you will see in actual normal American cities and states.

As I post these numbers for you, Darwoth, Tmeow and Infinity I hope you guys can finally understand just how extremely out of touch the 4 of you and your beliefs are with the average America.


So here goes....

55% of Americans believed Gay people should be able to marry compared to 35% who don't back in 2014. That number has only risen.

75% of Americans believe that you should not be able to discriminate in employment or housing based on sexual orientation. Currently America is the only modern industrial country that allows gay people to be fired from their job just for being gay.

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/chan ... -marriage/

France's gun murder rate is 1/4 that of America's. France's mass murder rate as defined by the FBI as 3 or more deaths by the same person on the same day is 1/10 that of America's.

57% of Americans disagree with 'Bathroom Bills' that limit where and how Trans-gendered people can go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate

because thanks to liberal anti gun efforts in florida the 350 people at the bar were not allowed to be armed.

False: There was an armed and uniformed off duty Orlando police officer at the front door of 'Pulse'. He immediately engaged and shot back at the shooter. 2 other officers were there within 2 minutes.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pul ... story.html

and guess what? as we have seen for months with trumps rise the whole country is waking up, which im sure really grinds claeyts ass even more.

False: Trump has dropped 7 points in the last 2 weeks in recent polling. Gary Johnson the Libertarian candidate is now consistently polling above 12% and will probably be on the stage this fall.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... ee-n591531

This doesn't happen in countries with rational gun laws.

You wanna back up that claim? Because it does happen. Look what happened to France a few months back.

This is beginning to look like arguing against global warming. People that say stuff like this are just denying for the sake of denying It's not even close. It's hasn't been for a long time.

The United States (10.8 per 100,000) have 4 times the gun deaths as France (2.8), 10 times as Germany (1.08), 9 times as many as Denmark (1.28), 11 times as many as Australia (.93), 1.5 times as many as Mexico (7.64), 3.5 times as many as Switzerland (3.0), 9 times as many as Sweden (1.47) and 40 times as many as the UK or Poland (.23 and .25)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate

These numbers hold as utterly comparable when you only take into account mass killings and homicides as seen here

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upsho ... .html?_r=0

Most Americans believe that gay and transvestite people deserve all the same rights we have to marry, live or work where they want and most Americans believe that our gun laws are insane.

You're taking a lot of liberties here. I don't know that this is accurate at all. I certainly don't think our gun laws are insane; they could use a little tidying up in some states, probably not in the direction you want though.

Then you are extremely outside the norm as an American:

89-92% of Americans want universal background checks

85% of Americans think we should close the gun show/craigslist gun sales loop holes.

82% of Gun Owners support more restrictions on owning a gun including tougher background checks.

https://www.americanprogress.org/press/ ... oll-finds/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... ackground/

Meh, maybe it's this week. Maybe it's that I remember getting drunk and having a blast with a bunch of lesbians out west but it seems like we should all go to a gay bar this week just to have a drink.

I'm not special at all. This is all pretty typical for Madison. We're a pretty gay friendly town. We've had a gay congressperson for like the last 30 years.

But that's my point. Why do you have to specify that so many of your friends are gay? Why do you have to claim that your town is 'gay friendly'? I don't go around proclaiming that I'm attracted to men. I don't proudly announce that my best friend is heterosexual. People would think I was nuts, and rightly so.

Like I said, I guess I'm just trying to support and remember the community and the times I've had in gay bars with friends. Maybe you can't relate to, empathize with or think about the gay community like that but I can. I don't have that many friends who are gay. A quick glance at my Facebook page would probably come up maybe 5-10% as gay.

Imagine if he wasn't allowed in this country at all. Then he would of done this somewhere else and we would all have that countries flag on facebook instead of a rainbow but the US wasn't attacked it was the gays.

The Orlando shooter was born in Queens, New York. The US and it's freedom was attacked in Orlando, not just gay people.

oh god i cant wait to read through all this vomit, i saw the part about how last year claeyt called me a coward that "would never say those things irl" , naturally i would and said so. followed by another half dozen pages of "yeah right coward you would get your ass kicked" so i offered to let claeyt kick my ass irl if he was within a (think it was 6 hour) radius.

he then wanted me to go to a gay bar in los angeles to fight some stupid female lesbo, because you know my 6'3 220 pound ass with dozens of scars on my knuckles is going to flex my macho honor by going to a GAY BAR to beat up some random FEMALE LESBIAN i have never met, spoke to or had issue with after ***** ass CLAEYT called me out and told me id get my ass beat

Like I told briVaye above... TRIGGERED!!!

What a blow hard. Again, like I said above. She wanted to kick your ass for me but I would have fought your dumb ass either way but you ***** out.

claeyt is to stupid to understand that you can not uninvent technology, in fact here is a teenage derptard (who will eventually blow his fingers off, but anyway) with more intelligence then claeyt with a pump action shotgun he made out of junk metal, go ahead and try to ban his guns claeyt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2m7cnBOakI


and that is a kid playing around in a junkpile, anyone with basic mechanical knowledge and nothing more than the tools in a standard garage can MAKE all the guns, ammo and magazines you want to ban and easily and someone that wants a gun to blow everyone away will always be able to get one, only way to stop them is for others to have guns.


"an armed society is a polite society"

been said for eons, and is 100% true. in fact when you look at this country, coast to coast the biggest ***** with the most crime and most ***** are ALWAYS liberal areas.

False: Armed societies as I pointed out above have the highest murder rates and the most crime per capita.

As for homemade guns, 3-D printed guns and anything else there is an easy solution. Make it illegal to make, print these types of guns. Gun bans and serious gun restrictions and laws have worked in every major European country, Australia, Canada, Japan. This is just proven. It's no longer an argument.

Australia had similar mass murder and gun homicide rates as the US when they put their ban in to effect. They're rates are now a fraction of what ours are. Gun bans, forced buybacks and stopping gun manufacturing in the U.S. will work. It's worked everywhere else it's been done.... EVER.

I heard someone say guns. Putting restrictions on guns wouldn't really solve the problem anyway. All it would do is make things like these

If you make it illegal to make guns like these then it'll be like anywhere else that has a gun ban where they could make something like this. The bigger thing is that it's much, much harder to kill 49 people and shoot 104 people with a gun like those.

As it turns out, it sends more like he was conflicted in his own homosexual feelings and the vindictive that his religion had. Most likely because he has such a prominent father, that he lashed out on his own insecurities and used ISIS in an attempt to cover it up and reclaim his manhood so to speak.

This was all about a guy who couldn't come out. So he went nuts.

...and he was able to buy the type of gun and large ammo clips that could kill 49 people and injure 54 people in less than 10 minutes.

actually what happened ***** is he went in and started shooting, and an off duty cop. the ONE guy in the bar with the gun (instead of 20 - 40 that it normally would be in florida out of 350 people) started shooting back so he kicked rocks, he then went back into a different area of the bar and killed everyone at leisure talking **** to them while he did it.

it took THREE HOURS for him to casually kill all those people because he was in no rush in a building full of unarmed people, as evidence at the start of the attack had EVEN ONE PERSON in the other area if the bar been ARMED the vast majority of those people may be alive today. thank yourself and your horse **** belief system for the fact they could not do anything but send ***** up text messages begging for help until they were killed you self righteous piece of ****.

This is all False and completely against Reason: More Guns does not make a bar safer. It just leads to more insane people with guns and makes it easier for nut jobs like you and this guy to get guns.

The guy killed most of the people in the first 10 minutes and then called 911 while the only living people were hiding blockaded in another room.

[Darwoth]

oh look, a wall of cut/paste semantical ***** to avoid arguing any of the actual points present.

i am ware there were eventually 3 people shooting back (instead of dozens) after the initial engagement, point is in the other side where he happily strolled in and mowed everyone down there were none (instead of dozens)

and have we not established by now that your liberal media "polls" mean NOTHING? after the senate and governor races where your polls meant jack **** and just recently when you got done quoting those same "polls" to prove how trump would not get the nominationand how "good" sanders was doing....... oops i guess eh?

[TotalyMeow]

If someone wants a gun, legal or not, they will get it. It isn't hard to improvise a firearm. What's difficult is improvising a good one. With enough know how though, it can be done.

It absolutely can be done. I used to work in a machine shop, mostly designing parts and writing the programs for the CNC machines, but I did learn how to run the CNC machines as part of a project and then got a good bit of practice when one of the machinists went on a long leave. I also got trained in most of the manual equipment as well. Did people bring in worn firing pins and things and make replacements with management approval? All the time. Could they have done it without approval? Easily. Could I have designed a high quality gun on my computer? Yes. I probably could have imported a full assembly, almost no effort on my part. Could I have made it entirely by myself? If I had actually wanted to, probably. It would mostly have been a matter of getting the right stock. Now, those machines I was working with were high class stuff and could easily have been replace with much cheaper equipment I could have bought myself. The computer programming is really the tough part and doing that at work would have been a snap. It really isn't difficult to make a gun and anyone with the right knowledge and some old equipment (available at auctions, not even hard to find) could crank them out in volume and with good quality. The only reason criminals aren't doing it now is because guns are cheaper to buy legally and then launder. If people suddenly can't get them so easily, it won't be people willing to break the law who are deprived of them.

[Claeyt]

oh look, a wall of cut/paste semantical ***** to avoid arguing any of the actual points present.

i am ware there were eventually 3 people shooting back (instead of dozens) after the initial engagement, point is in the other side where he happily strolled in and mowed everyone down there were none (instead of dozens)

and have we not established by now that your liberal media "polls" mean NOTHING? after the senate and governor races where your polls meant jack **** and just recently when you got done quoting those same "polls" to prove how trump would not get the nominationand how "good" sanders was doing....... oops i guess eh?

Polls mean nothing? They mean you're so far outside the normal thoughts of Americans that you are an extremist. That's what they mean. You should get out more and socialize.

This is a wall of facts, polls and reality. I know you and Trump disagree with reading facts, or basing your arguments on reality but that's how arguments are won. Your arguments (and Trumps) are false and no amount of hatred of "Liberal Media" polling bashing is going to change that.

If someone wants a gun, legal or not, they will get it. It isn't hard to improvise a firearm. What's difficult is improvising a good one. With enough know how though, it can be done.

It absolutely can be done. I used to work in a machine shop, mostly designing parts and writing the programs for the CNC machines, but I did learn how to run the CNC machines as part of a project and then got a good bit of practice when one of the machinists went on a long leave. I also got trained in most of the manual equipment as well. Did people bring in worn firing pins and things and make replacements with management approval? All the time. Could they have done it without approval? Easily. Could I have designed a high quality gun on my computer? Yes. I probably could have imported a full assembly, almost no effort on my part. Could I have made it entirely by myself? If I had actually wanted to, probably. It would mostly have been a matter of getting the right stock. Now, those machines I was working with were high class stuff and could easily have been replace with much cheaper equipment I could have bought myself. The computer programming is really the tough part and doing that at work would have been a snap. It really isn't difficult to make a gun and anyone with the right knowledge and some old equipment (available at auctions, not even hard to find) could crank them out in volume and with good quality. The only reason criminals aren't doing it now is because guns are cheaper to buy legally and then launder. If people suddenly can't get them so easily, it won't be people willing to break the law who are deprived of them.

This argument makes no sense. These same machine shops, 3-D printers and other ways to make guns or for that matter bombs are all available in Canada, Australia and every other rational nation with sane gun laws. They're gun deaths are a fraction of ours even though people could be making guns.

IF YOU MAKE GUNS HARD TO GET AND MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO MAKE GUNS THEN THERE ARE LESS GUNS AND LESS MURDERS AND GUN DEATHS GO DOWN. It's as simple as that and has been proven over and over again in Europe, Canada and Australia.

Why are you guys even arguing against this. It's a proven fact in all of these countries that have done these things. How can you possibly deny that Australia or Canada isn't safer with their strict gun ownership laws? The Facts are right there and are known.

[Darwoth]

claeyt is going to solve the worlds ill's by making it illegal for someone to make a gun on their 3d printer, since folks planning to murder people are so sensible and open to diplomacy perhaps you should make mass murder illegal to?



i am not bothering to go over your other tripe because i have proven you wrong so many times over the years it is nonsensical.

everything you said is completely inaccurate as always and now you are just doing the same **** you always do where you type 50 pages of eye bleeding nonsense while saying absolutely nothing hoping that your opponents will grow tired of riding the merry go round with you where you repeat the same **** every 4th post.

[Darwoth]

oh by the way, shooter was a registered democrat.

[Claeyt]

claeyt is going to solve the worlds ill's by making it illegal for someone to make a gun on their 3d printer, since folks planning to murder people are so sensible and open to diplomacy perhaps you should make mass murder illegal to?



i am not bothering to go over your other tripe because i have proven you wrong so many times over the years it is nonsensical.

everything you said is completely inaccurate as always and now you are just doing the same **** you always do where you type 50 pages of eye bleeding nonsense while saying absolutely nothing hoping that your opponents will grow tired of riding the merry go round with you where you repeat the same **** every 4th post.

False: You have never proven me wrong.

Deny the facts all you want it doesn't make you right and it never will. These same 3-D printers are in Canada, Australia and Europe but you don't see people making guns because it's illegal to own guns without an ownership license. It's also illegal to make guns in these countries. All of these countries are safer than the U.S. by a lot because of their sane gun ownership laws.