Are neuters allowed in the ladies' room?

[Inotdead]

So you're okay with gay marriage?

I am, since I'm not particularly religious, yet I can understand perfectly well people who are not.

Think of it more as a minority parade or festival...

I don't think people should openly celebrate their sexual preferences.

They're not forcing an opinion on you...

Not if they are just living their life like you say without disturbing anyone. But it is not always the case.

Disliking someone because of their skin color is stupid. Disliking someone because of their nationality is idiotic. Disliking someone because of their language is dumb. Disliking someone because of their sexuality is moronic...

Disliking blue color is stupid.
Disliking pizza is idiotic.
Disliking foggy weather is dumb.
Disliking traveling is moronic.
Meh.

I'd rather be stupid, than an oblivious self-righteous liberal snob.
Also, I believe I told numerous times, that I don't judge people for their sexual preferences, but exactly for "what they do".

[martinuzz]

Indeed, just like you shouldn't blame a catholic priest for having an unemployed *****, but only judge him for sticking it in an altar boy.

[Darwoth]

Indeed, just like you shouldn't blame a catholic priest for having an unemployed *****, but only judge him for sticking it in an altar boy.

that sounds quite gay to me if you know what i mean.

[Mereni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

As someone who has been around long enough to remember the 80s, I'd say this is accurate, both for our economy and the subject Darwoth is applying it to. I remember a number of controversial gay kisses and other displays of affection on television, followed by loud media coverage both for and against. I remember such things becoming more frequent and the 'against' voices getting quieter and more condemned until now, when if you even seem to be against homosexuality in any way, you're a horrible person.

But the crazy thing is, even if you just don't like public displays of affection or prefer if other people keep their private lives private; if you object to some guy kissing his boyfriend in the grocery store or Vigilance loudly proclaiming all over the forum that he's the 'alpha gay', you're intolerant. Doesn't matter if you'd object to the same behavior in a heterosexual person. That's the frustrating thing.

[Claeyt]

Think of it more as a minority parade or festival...

I don't think people should openly celebrate their sexual preferences.

They're not celebrating their sexuality, they're celebrating their rights to openly say that they are gay and the change in societies opinion towards the view of their rights.

They're not forcing an opinion on you...

Not if they are just living their life like you say without disturbing anyone. But it is not always the case.

What exactly do you mean by "disturbing people"? Do you mean them holding hands and kissing in public? Do you mean them just "acting" gay? Or do you mean them simply being open about how they're gay and not hiding it from people?

Disliking someone because of their skin color is stupid. Disliking someone because of their nationality is idiotic. Disliking someone because of their language is dumb. Disliking someone because of their sexuality is moronic...

Disliking blue color is stupid.
Disliking pizza is idiotic.
Disliking foggy weather is dumb.
Disliking traveling is moronic.
Meh.

I'd rather be stupid, than an oblivious self-righteous liberal snob.
Also, I believe I told numerous times, that I don't judge people for their sexual preferences, but exactly for "what they do".

...and what do they "do", exactly? In all cases what they do doesn't affect you in any way.

At the top you're saying preferences about blue, pizza and traveling. You're talking about preferences about things. You can have a preference to not go to hip hop clubs or gay bars or even have a preference against parts of black or gay culture but when you fight against them by trying to discriminate against them based on who they are then that's where you are wrong. Parts of all cultures are wrong and parts of all cultures are right. If you can show a preference against parts of someone's culture without holding discrimination against the individual, then you get the point.

My examples are showing preferences against people based on who they are. You can't say "I hate blacks" but you can say " I hate black thug culture". They are different things and if you're able to separate them in you're mind while understanding the clash of cultures within yourself against another culture then you're understanding where I'm coming from. At that point you can then learn about how your culture is in conflict with that small part of their culture and how that part of their culture was formed.

Eventually you'll be able to say things like "I love jazz and the blues, and early rap, but hip-hop culture was corrupted during the 80's and 90's by the massive rise in crime, drugs and prison population because of Reagan's expansion of the drug war and the breakdown of the "black family" and the rise in teen single-mother pregnancy." My point is that you have to learn why you hate part of their culture.

Another example: "I like that actor but he or she seems overly sexualized just like all American culture. I understand that the liberalization within our culture has revolutionized how people think about sex and their bodies as a reaction and rejection of the conservative and religious mores of the last century but maybe we've become too sexualized as a country a little bit. I'm sure there's a middle ground to it and I can always just not watch them."

I'm assuming you're from Europe so you can say something like this maybe: "I dislike parts of immigrant culture and it seems like they won't assimilate but I like the vibrancy to parts of their culture and their food's tasty. I suppose this is what it looks like when a culture or society changes and I hope we can protect and hang onto the best parts of both cultures to make something new after 3 or 4 generations of changing tides. I suppose we'll call that (French/German/Russian/Swedish/etc...) culture then even though it's changed a little bit."

I'd rather be stupid, than an oblivious self-righteous liberal snob.

I'm the least oblivious person you know, I'm not self-righteous because I never think I'm right but I will always compare. You'll see that I've admitted I know nothing many times on this forum. I am a liberal but I'm not a snob.

[Claeyt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

Every time you post this video I'm reminded that the only people who still use Stalinist media tactics are the Right Wing Media, Christian Evangelicals and the Republican Party.

[Claeyt]

for having an unemployed *****.

...Unemployed *****?

[Claeyt]

As someone who has been around long enough to remember the 80s, I'd say this is accurate, both for our economy and the subject Darwoth is applying it to. I remember a number of controversial gay kisses and other displays of affection on television, followed by loud media coverage both for and against. I remember such things becoming more frequent and the 'against' voices getting quieter and more condemned until now, when if you even seem to be against homosexuality in any way, you're a horrible person.

But the crazy thing is, even if you just don't like public displays of affection or prefer if other people keep their private lives private; if you object to some guy kissing his boyfriend in the grocery store or Vigilance loudly proclaiming all over the forum that he's the 'alpha gay', you're intolerant. Doesn't matter if you'd object to the same behavior in a heterosexual person. That's the frustrating thing.

It's easy to not be intolerant. If you don't like public displays of affection then say so if it's a gay one or a strait one. The difference is if you single out gay affection or gay lifestyles even though they're similar to heterosexual ones. I have no problem with people saying "holy ****, gay pride parades are over-sexualized." I do have a problem with people saying "Why can't they just stay hidden?" It's not a lifestyle, it's probably genetic and we shouldn't condemn them for that.

As for the 80's, always remember that gays were always there, they're just not hiding it from you anymore.

[darnokpl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

As someone who has been around long enough to remember the 80s, I'd say this is accurate, both for our economy and the subject Darwoth is applying it to. I remember a number of controversial gay kisses and other displays of affection on television, followed by loud media coverage both for and against. I remember such things becoming more frequent and the 'against' voices getting quieter and more condemned until now, when if you even seem to be against homosexuality in any way, you're a horrible person.

But the crazy thing is, even if you just don't like public displays of affection or prefer if other people keep their private lives private; if you object to some guy kissing his boyfriend in the grocery store or Vigilance loudly proclaiming all over the forum that he's the 'alpha gay', you're intolerant. Doesn't matter if you'd object to the same behavior in a heterosexual person. That's the frustrating thing.

I couldn't agree more.

In Poland in last few years gays are showed in media as more inteligent with great taste in fashion and design. That makes people to want to dress like them or to design their homes in same way.

Anyone that is saing that homosexuality is not natural and showing it on streets on some gay parades is not right, is accused in media about being homophobic and half-inteligent person with the Middle Ages views from right-wing.
While even from scientific point of view those people are right. Just make simple experiment take 1000 gays on one island and take 1000 healthy people on other, wait 50+ years, go and see what they build, on first island you will see only graves and old houses.

Think of it more as a minority parade or festival...

I don't think people should openly celebrate their sexual preferences.

They're not celebrating their sexuality, they're celebrating their rights to openly say that they are gay and the change in societies opinion towards the view of their rights.

What? But why would anyone want to change societies opinions about who is he or she sleeping with?
Think for while why in TV there is so much about gays rights to show their sexuality.

One more thing, so where is my right to saying openly I am against homosexualism and I think that it is some neurological problem without being insulted and assigned to political group?

It's easy to not be intolerant. If you don't like public displays of affection then say so if it's a gay one or a strait one. The difference is if you single out gay affection or gay lifestyles even though they're similar to heterosexual ones. I have no problem with people saying "holy ****, gay pride parades are over-sexualized." I do have a problem with people saying "Why can't they just stay hidden?" It's not a lifestyle, it's probably genetic and we shouldn't condemn them for that.

As for the 80's, always remember that gays were always there, they're just not hiding it from you anymore.

I do have problem with people that thinks it is just lifestyle, while everything in the world says it is health issue

[Claeyt]

In Poland in last few years gays are showed in media as more inteligent with great taste in fashion and design. That makes people to want to dress like them or to design their homes in same way.

Anyone that is saing that homosexuality is not natural and showing it on streets on some gay parades is not right, is accused in media about being homophobic and half-inteligent person with the Middle Ages views from right-wing.
While even from scientific point of view those people are right. Just make simple experiment take 1000 gays on one island and take 1000 healthy people on other, wait 50+ years, go and see what they build, on first island you will see only graves and old houses.

The scientific view says that it's genetic and not a psychological or health problem. Any other belief you might have is based on religion or personal mores.

They're not celebrating their sexuality, they're celebrating their rights to openly say that they are gay and the change in societies opinion towards the view of their rights.

Are you saying that you want to deny them the right to say that they are gay? You can't stop them from being gay, you can only create laws to deny them the right to be who they want to be and say what they want to say.

One more thing, so where is my right to saying openly I am against homosexualism and I think that it is some neurological problem without being insulted and assigned to political group?

It's not a neurological disorder. Technically it's a genetic trait towards a predilection of homosexuality.

You have the right to say anything you want and society has a right to think whatever they want about you because of what you say. You don't have the right to discriminate against homosexuals in there job, school or housing in America and most of Western Europe.

I do have problem with people that thinks it is just lifestyle, while everything in the world says it is health issue

Like I said, it's not a health issue it's genetic. Instead of lifestyle I should have used the world culture I suppose.