Salem Community and You

[Makestro]

The way i look at it is like this, You guys have a definitive way of wanting to play this game, imho being toxic etc, and your play style will not change.

However salem is very small at this moment in time, and toxicity at this stage is bad for the games development and could cause the game to crash and burn into nothing.

How about stop with the shenanigans for 6-12 months, Let the community grow and even help it grow into something huge, then start your trolling campaign and when the game is in a bigger player base state, it would be almost impossible to destroy it no matter how much you trolled and trolled and trolled in game players / events etc etc.

Or is that what you are worried about ? the game becoming so big, that the community as a whole would never allow such things to happen, and thus would stop your "fun" totally ?

I personally do not enjoy playing sandbox games like people are expected to and when giving the chance to be the bad guy I always choose to be the bad guy. It's because you're the common type of player even in Salem, a good example is look at all the little bluebies that showed up and took part in the party While only 2 of us(Darwoth and I) made a real attempt at ruining it. I've had this discussion millions of times with people to the point of ad naseam and the discussion always turns out the same because the reality is you whether you want to see it or not are the common mmo gamer even in a hardcore game like this. Darwoth, myself and the rest of SBG are an extremely rare type of gamer thus why we have a decent player base within our guild and can hand pick who we want and want to toss to the curb. I like to compare it to the asteroid strikes of the past, without them humans would not exist. Much like without intelligent griefers these communities would be more fragmented and never evolved into real communities, the ying and yang of open pvp.

The reality is without us, without MM and without all the other griefers in these games this community would stagnant faster than you can even imagine. DFO is a great example, Aventurine made playing DFO as a small independent pk clan impossible so a lot of the smaller pvp clans/alliances that gave the mega zergs something to do daily quit, the game stagnated and now it's dead and being revived to cater to the only players left(carebears), if you don't believe me the DFO relaunch suppose to be in the next couple months, go play that and see how quick the population dwindles. Herei s the thing though, Salem is 10 times the game DFO could ever be under AV and once more players are entering the world and joining established cities(not run by mad men like a certain someone) the game will boom and you'll get more bluebies who want to sit in Boston and chat with everyone much like yourself. Until then, you're going to have to evolve or become the next example of darwinism.

[Dallane]

I personally do not enjoy playing sandbox games like people are expected to and when giving the chance to be the bad guy I always choose to be the bad guy. It's because you're the common type of player even in Salem, a good example is look at all the little bluebies that showed up and took part in the party While only 2 of us(Darwoth and I) made a real attempt at ruining it. I've had this discussion millions of times with people to the point of ad naseam and the discussion always turns out the same because the reality is you whether you want to see it or not are the common mmo gamer even in a hardcore game like this. Darwoth, myself and the rest of SBG are an extremely rare type of gamer thus why we have a decent player base within our guild and can hand pick who we want and want to toss to the curb. I like to compare it to the asteroid strikes of the past, without them humans would not exist. Much like without intelligent griefers these communities would be more fragmented and never evolved into real communities, the ying and yang of open pvp.

The reality is without us, without MM and without all the other griefers in these games this community would stagnant faster than you can even imagine. DFO is a great example, Aventurine made playing DFO as a small independent pk clan impossible so a lot of the smaller pvp clans/alliances that gave the mega zergs something to do daily quit, the game stagnated and now it's dead and being revived to cater to the only players left(carebears), if you don't believe me the DFO relaunch suppose to be in the next couple months, go play that and see how quick the population dwindles. Herei s the thing though, Salem is 10 times the game DFO could ever be under AV and once more players are entering the world and joining established cities(not run by mad men like a certain someone) the game will boom and you'll get more bluebies who want to sit in Boston and chat with everyone much like yourself. Until then, you're going to have to evolve or become the next example of darwinism.

Like he said. Look at the forums after the "bad guys" are banned. they are dead as *****

[colesie]

It's not so much wanting a chat room in Boston, it's knowing a good thing when you see it. There's griefing and then there's just general ass-hattery and personal flaw. The devs likely would have left the cauldron there for a decent amount of time in the spirit of things.

[megasego]

(...)
So you see, I have very little faith left in any of you. Most of the players involved in ***** up these charitable causes are also involved in Salem now. So you see, I've tried. I've tried 3 times on a larger scale. I was one of the two enforcers and rangers for the peace grid, I was one of the daily trade centre guards, I made the spar arena and organized the prizes/fights, and now I've attempted to host a Halloween party for you Salem players. You've ***** up all of those attempts. I am not a carebear by any means. I'm a core member of the biggest raiding faction in Haven, but really people, learn to appreciate a good thing or people will stop trying. Shameful displays all up in this bizz.

A major problem with your attempts in H&H is that you can't create conflict and simultaneously expect the conflict to be absent when you want it to be absent. Dis had simply stepped on far too many toes.

Then there are those who are roleplaying villains and to stick to their character they have reason to "ruin" your attempts.

[L33LEE]

I personally do not enjoy playing sandbox games like people are expected to and when giving the chance to be the bad guy I always choose to be the bad guy. It's because you're the common type of player even in Salem, a good example is look at all the little bluebies that showed up and took part in the party While only 2 of us(Darwoth and I) made a real attempt at ruining it. I've had this discussion millions of times with people to the point of ad naseam and the discussion always turns out the same because the reality is you whether you want to see it or not are the common mmo gamer even in a hardcore game like this. Darwoth, myself and the rest of SBG are an extremely rare type of gamer thus why we have a decent player base within our guild and can hand pick who we want and want to toss to the curb. I like to compare it to the asteroid strikes of the past, without them humans would not exist. Much like without intelligent griefers these communities would be more fragmented and never evolved into real communities, the ying and yang of open pvp.

The reality is without us, without MM and without all the other griefers in these games this community would stagnant faster than you can even imagine. DFO is a great example, Aventurine made playing DFO as a small independent pk clan impossible so a lot of the smaller pvp clans/alliances that gave the mega zergs something to do daily quit, the game stagnated and now it's dead and being revived to cater to the only players left(carebears), if you don't believe me the DFO relaunch suppose to be in the next couple months, go play that and see how quick the population dwindles. Herei s the thing though, Salem is 10 times the game DFO could ever be under AV and once more players are entering the world and joining established cities(not run by mad men like a certain someone) the game will boom and you'll get more bluebies who want to sit in Boston and chat with everyone much like yourself. Until then, you're going to have to evolve or become the next example of darwinism.

Like he said. Look at the forums after the "bad guys" are banned. they are dead as *****

Because the bad guys are the only guys left around after they drove off the rest of the player base.

Kill the bad guys, kill the game is what your saying ? I think if its done in the right way, it will pave the way for a the round of players in a bigger community without changing any aspect of the game. What they do is fine, but the forums toxicity and no ingame newb protection + education is what is driving the numbers down, nothing more nothing less.

I direct you here : viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1602

Something like this would help players understand the kind of game salem is, and some of the toxicity to expect ingame from trolling / harassment / perma death. Education is the key to success in any way shape or form, and no matter how much thus players trolled or created drama, people will know what is to be expected and this should "help" the community grow reguardless.

[Makestro]

I personally do not enjoy playing sandbox games like people are expected to and when giving the chance to be the bad guy I always choose to be the bad guy. It's because you're the common type of player even in Salem, a good example is look at all the little bluebies that showed up and took part in the party While only 2 of us(Darwoth and I) made a real attempt at ruining it. I've had this discussion millions of times with people to the point of ad naseam and the discussion always turns out the same because the reality is you whether you want to see it or not are the common mmo gamer even in a hardcore game like this. Darwoth, myself and the rest of SBG are an extremely rare type of gamer thus why we have a decent player base within our guild and can hand pick who we want and want to toss to the curb. I like to compare it to the asteroid strikes of the past, without them humans would not exist. Much like without intelligent griefers these communities would be more fragmented and never evolved into real communities, the ying and yang of open pvp.

The reality is without us, without MM and without all the other griefers in these games this community would stagnant faster than you can even imagine. DFO is a great example, Aventurine made playing DFO as a small independent pk clan impossible so a lot of the smaller pvp clans/alliances that gave the mega zergs something to do daily quit, the game stagnated and now it's dead and being revived to cater to the only players left(carebears), if you don't believe me the DFO relaunch suppose to be in the next couple months, go play that and see how quick the population dwindles. Herei s the thing though, Salem is 10 times the game DFO could ever be under AV and once more players are entering the world and joining established cities(not run by mad men like a certain someone) the game will boom and you'll get more bluebies who want to sit in Boston and chat with everyone much like yourself. Until then, you're going to have to evolve or become the next example of darwinism.

Like he said. Look at the forums after the "bad guys" are banned. they are dead as *****

Because the bad guys are the only guys left around after they drove off the rest of the player base.

Kill the bad guys, kill the game is what your saying ? I think if its done in the right way, it will pave the way for a the round of players in a bigger community without changing any aspect of the game. What they do is fine, but the forums toxicity and no ingame newb protection + education is what is driving the numbers down, nothing more nothing less.

I direct you here : viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1602

Something like this would help players understand the kind of game salem is, and some of the toxicity to expect ingame from trolling / harassment / perma death. Education is the key to success in any way shape or form, and no matter how much thus players trolled or created drama, people will know what is to be expected and this should "help" the community grow reguardless.

Why do you need the devs to waste time adding some stupid island for newbies when the cities/guilds of this game can take in new players and do the same thing without presenting some false representation of the game?

[Dallane]

The game is lacking players not because of the noobs not sticking around. There is nothing to do after you get crops and metal. If someone doesn't get involved in politics and fighting they are going to get bored as all *****. I hardly play as it is. I have everything in the game. I log on my days off work and exploit my 1x1 fields and eat the next day. thats all i do now.

Without people like me on the forums this game because even more boring. You are screaming for farmville but it will never happen.

I already skimmed your 2ldr terrible idea. New players need to get on irc and read the forums to understand what game they are getting into. No matter how much hand holding you are giving them at the start they will still rage quit after someone rolls through their terrible town or they get ganked.

[Makestro]

I already skimmed your 2ldr terrible idea. New players need to get on irc and read the forums to understand what game they are getting into. No matter how much hand holding you are giving them at the start they will still rage quit after someone rolls through their terrible town or they get ganked.

Ding ding ding ding! Sadly this common sense argument wont impact the minds of true bluebies, but thankfully Jorb and Loftar are experienced enough devs/gamers to know it's true.

[L33LEE]

Why do you need the devs to waste time adding some stupid island for newbies when the cities/guilds of this game can take in new players and do the same thing without presenting some false representation of the game?

I direct you to this example : viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1599 of why people come to the forums, see this and think "***** this game" and move along.

Your generosity is nice in theory. Yet your claiming such things will work / help the player base, yet i see you doing "nothing" like you just mentioned to help this kind of growth to keep new players in the game or interested in playing. I See your suggestion to help new players is good, however its all "community generated", and lets fact it, some of the community cannot be trusted, and the numbers are going down day by day, You say they "can take in new players", none of them are.

Yea i see many people post on the forums, no one answers.

Have i seen anyone actively in boston trying to help newb as they instantly log in for the first time ? because that + your suggestion is what would help this community grow in a massive way, yet i see none of the current player base doing anything like this, and your suggestions mean nothing, whos going to do it ? from the sounds of it, not you.

I have my own plans at the moment in to how to bring some fun into salem which is community driven, however, i feel there should be this strong tutorial because salem is a new gene in the gaming world, and new possible gamers do need to be educated by the game creators and the people who bring you the game, NOT THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

The game is lacking players not because of the noobs not sticking around. There is nothing to do after you get crops and metal. If someone doesn't get involved in politics and fighting they are going to get bored as all *****. I hardly play as it is. I have everything in the game. I log on my days off work and exploit my 1x1 fields and eat the next day. thats all i do now.

Without people like me on the forums this game because even more boring. You are screaming for farmville but it will never happen.

I already skimmed your 2ldr terrible idea. New players need to get on irc and read the forums to understand what game they are getting into. No matter how much hand holding you are giving them at the start they will still rage quit after someone rolls through their terrible town or they get ganked.

Whos screaming for farmville ? Change your tune. New players should NOT NEED TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY to understand what they are getting into in a GAME, the game itself should give the education to players. Clearly you have not played many successful games from beta > big boys.

all i see is the same forum toxic players, saying the same toxic stuff, showing how narrow minded they are and from what seems trying to ensure the game perishes.

A newb island would no way shape or form, intrude or change any current game aspect, but only "help educate new players" and "help the community grow", unsure how you could be against anything like this unless you are 100% pure toxic through and through, and really want this game to die.

[Dallane]

I already skimmed your 2ldr terrible idea. New players need to get on irc and read the forums to understand what game they are getting into. No matter how much hand holding you are giving them at the start they will still rage quit after someone rolls through their terrible town or they get ganked.

Ding ding ding ding! Sadly this common sense argument wont impact the minds of true bluebies, but thankfully Jorb and Loftar are experienced enough devs/gamers to know it's true.

I just don't understand why someone would want to play a game without knowing anything about it.