Is KKK really a good name for a group?

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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby Lallaith » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:27 am

TotalyMeow wrote:I find this whole argument about whether the 'KKK' group is nice people or not laughable. You claim to be helpful, nice to newbies, and overall harmless and upright, and yet you've chosen a name calculated to offend, insult, and make it very clear that you are, in fact, not nice people.

Maybe you thought you'd try to do something clever and give yourselves a horrible name and yet through some sort of awesome politics and spinning, you would still make the forums think you're great; and I can appreciate the fun in that, I really can. I've spun some crazy game and forum politics myself and tried to make people think down was up. But I've gotten some complaints and reports about the offensiveness of the name KKK. I think you've gone a bit too far and would appreciate it if you change your group's name.

After all, we're talking about a group of people who terrorize and murder minorities because they think said minorities are less than human. Is that really something you want to immitate?


Helpful? Sure.

Nice to newbies? IMO, for a group of raiders we're pretty damn nice to them since we often explain to them what mistake they made to get KO'd, and some of us actually let them go more often than we kill them? It has been ages since i've delivered a KB to someone without talking to them and giving them some sort of option to get out of it unless they were an enemy or AFK/offline summoned etc. Also i've helped a good number of noobs this world in the more typical way. I even joined Realak's townsville with a little alt for the purpose of hanging out with noobs and answering their questions and such. One of them is now a treasured friend. We wrecked the town of gwashington because it was abusing noobs. I don't think anything more can be asked regarding noobs of a group as bloodthirsty as ours.

Overall harmless? Where you got this idea I have no idea. We've killed many people, trashed many bases and stolen much stuff. Clearly we're very dangerous.

Upright? Absolutely. I don't think there has ever been a group of raiders whose personal conduct was as admirable as ours. Pretty much every day at some point I think to myself how fortunate I am to have such awesome team mates, not just in terms of capability but because of who they are.

Which bring me to my next point, which i suspect you may have missed somehow: Our group is the Kind Karing Kristians. We like the K's and find the reference to the real world KKK hilarious. Have only ever heard complaints from trolls. I, personally, consider it stupid in many cases when people choose to avoid the use of something (eg a swastika or in our case some initials) for a purpose other than the common negative due to such an association- its better to reclaim stuff adopted by a negative group instead of re-enforcing the negative symbolism by avoiding it. We are a mixed race group and we all wanted this name. If the initials were a serious problem we could consider avoiding shortening to initials in posts, but this is our name and we have no plans to consider changing it.
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:47 am

Announcements probably isn't the best place for this discussion. However, it's here, and started by TotallyMeow at that. I suppose I can only encourage it being moved elsewhere, but I suppose it's not completely off topic of what has been discussed the last several pages...

Lallaith, I will agree with your last paragraph only so far. Symbolism what it is, it takes work, effort, and those willing to go beyond prior old associations. There's a point when one is seriously trying to lay out new grounds for what has previously been seen as a negative symbol, and a point where it's trolling. You (or your group if this is the general thoughts of most/all) can't seriously think you're "taking it back" when the most commonly known group using these initials is still active. Add in the activities I read about on the forums, and the concept of "taking it back" goes from "reasonably believable" to "laughably suspicious." That statement would go for anyone trying to do the same thing with any other word, symbol, or idea.

That the use of the name hasn't been immediately banned/removed just shows that MM is willing to give it some slack. In fact, with the rules on the forums as they were changed to when MM took over, I was surprised it didn't get immediately changed to something like you see in so many other games, like Generic Village #123456789.
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby Lallaith » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:11 am

MagicManICT wrote:Announcements probably isn't the best place for this discussion. However, it's here, and started by TotallyMeow at that. I suppose I can only encourage it being moved elsewhere, but I suppose it's not completely off topic of what has been discussed the last several pages...

Lallaith, I will agree with your last paragraph only so far. Symbolism what it is, it takes work, effort, and those willing to go beyond prior old associations. There's a point when one is seriously trying to lay out new grounds for what has previously been seen as a negative symbol, and a point where it's trolling. You (or your group if this is the general thoughts of most/all) can't seriously think you're "taking it back" when the most commonly known group using these initials is still active. Add in the activities I read about on the forums, and the concept of "taking it back" goes from "reasonably believable" to "laughably suspicious." That statement would go for anyone trying to do the same thing with any other word, symbol, or idea.

That the use of the name hasn't been immediately banned/removed just shows that MM is willing to give it some slack. In fact, with the rules on the forums as they were changed to when MM took over, I was surprised it didn't get immediately changed to something like you see in so many other games, like Generic Village #123456789.


I never said its about 'taking it back'. I did say that I find our name amusing. The point is that I don't believe in avoiding using a symbol or whatever for another purpose simply because of some association with some negative group, and that I think that this is the healthiest way to deal with such things. Anyway, our name is the Kind Karing Kristians and i think the most that could reasonably be asked is that people try not to abbreviate to initials too often, but i don't think even that is really needed.
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby morck4 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:37 pm

Murphy wrote:
GWashington wrote:I seriously feel sorry for anyone that makes the terrible mistake of trusting a group like the kkk.
The support that Lallaith gives is murdering you!
Murder!

I agree, do not trust these people.

This ^

Lallaith wrote:*rant*

Do you actually believe what you say?!
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby Necrobane » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:01 pm

morck4 wrote:
Murphy wrote:
GWashington wrote:I seriously feel sorry for anyone that makes the terrible mistake of trusting a group like the kkk.
The support that Lallaith gives is murdering you!
Murder!

I agree, do not trust these people.

This ^

Lallaith wrote:*rant*

Do you actually believe what you say?!


You was killed by kkk because you are stupid or you are someone's sockpuppet?
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby Judaism » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:24 pm

If you would compare the Kind Karing Kristians with any current and/or previous top-dogs then I honestly do believe that we are good-natured.
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby Hose » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:33 pm

lucker dog
My dog walks me to the park and doggy styles me, if you find that weird you're an arrogant gender-assuming bloodthirsty gun-loving cisgender bestial sexist incestuous white-previlege misogynistic biased raped privileged Nazi slave owner terrorist lesbian.
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby morck4 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:38 pm

Necrobane wrote:diksuking

No i was never killed by KKK, and i am not someone's sockpuppet, i am simply stating facts based on the behaviour of KKK members. Stop picking those pretty pink flowers mate.

Judaism wrote:If you would compare the Kind Karing Kristians with any current and/or previous top-dogs then I honestly do believe that we are good-natured.

As good-natured as the tribe back when you were all about bashing them ;)

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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby shizuka » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:43 pm

so much *****, anyone that reads this thread without knowing everyone that has been posting on the last pages would be wise to not believe everything that has been said.
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Re: Happy New Year & Salem 2015

Postby morck4 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:56 pm

shizuka wrote:so much *****, anyone that reads this thread without knowing everyone that has been posting on the last pages would be wise to not believe everything that has been said.

I simply hope you are not defending the same group that killed you about 3 times :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(which you are actually, still continuing to suck the hell out of their *****)
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