Pre-Announcement: Upcoming Changes to Market Stands

[MagicManICT]

The price of goods in the stands will only be possible to adjust within the span of ±50% of the originally set price.
I'm ok with this

I'm not. As you point out with your example, where and what is the going price on something like a fully decked-out admiral's coat? Could be 5k, could be 1k, could be 10k. (Values used as example only; not the actual pricing) Price could severely fluctuate from week to week and depending on what artifacts were on it.

Fair would be only if we would pay some % of our income as rent.

So if you have no income it's free and you can hold it forever?

The idea, I think, is that stalls are an unlimited resource, which they aren't currently. However, I see that I'm wrong by darnokpl's follow-up post. How is that different than the current system of paying 300s per week PLUS 15% tax (or whatever it is) vs just making the stalls a 30% tax? The idea here is to pull a ton of silver out of the game. I could go into a spiel about game economics here, but I'm not even close to expert enough to make a solid discussion on it.

[darnokpl]

Or we could do it the easy way with a base cost and achieve essentially the same effect anyway?

Base costs are evil

Same effect only if you compare players that are in-game for same amount of hours. Paying 1000s as rent for small camp of 2-3 people per week would be much harder than for large town 15+ people. While this large town may have more than 1 stall and may hold them only to stop other small camps to enter 24h/day market and this small camp may produce and sell on stall many cheap items for beginners.
Imho if rent will go up prices will also go up and people will start to sell only items of greater value, but from what I saw stalls are mostly for new and medium players, more advanced are making trades through forums to avoid your 15% tax.

EDIT: I think it would be better (for you, not for us ) to make trades where you can drain our silver by taxes, that can not be avoided, more common than trades through forums! More small transactions more silver is paid as tax, increasing stalls rent will imho make opposite and people who wanted stall, will learn that it is better to make thread on forums.

EDIT 2: as for +/-50% price span it would be nice to see how many days hovered item is on stall, right now I have no idea what is current price of many items.

[MagicManICT]

Here's the flaw in your argument: time in game is not equal to silver earning rate. I can spend 18 hrs a day on the game and only make as much silver as a person on for 4 if I waste a lot of it or do tasks such as maintaining my homestead and town.

[darnokpl]

Here's the flaw in your argument: time in game is not equal to silver earning rate. I can spend 18 hrs a day on the game and only make as much silver as a person on for 4 if I waste a lot of it or do tasks such as maintaining my homestead and town.

Hmm it is not flaw, if we assume we got same sized camps and maintaining them take us same amount of time, then the one who spend more time in-game can have larger income from his stall, but why we should pay same rent? This is only next step to force people play for BASE amount of hours in Salem or go away, because if they will play less time they can't match other at all.

[MagicManICT]

We both live in California. We both rent a shop on Rodeo Drive to market our wares in our high class boutiques. The difference, you sell clothing, I sell jewelry. I also work twice as hard at making sales as you*. Everything else is identical: shop hours, time we spend at home, maintenance costs, etc. Do we not both pay pretty much the same rent? The difference will be in the overall taxes we pay on our profits. I'll likely make more money in the long run as 1) the goods I'm selling are likely more valuable and 2) I work harder with my time.

The other way: our landlord is our shop investor. We don't have to "pay rent" up front on our shop, but we have to give him a percentage of our gross income a month... say 30%. You run a second hand clothing store. I run a jewelry store. After a few months, won't the landlord get upset that you're squandering his wonderful location and only making him a few hundred dollars a month when the guy next to you has the same deal and is making him tens of thousands (after property maintenance and all that)? Surely you'll get ran out of business fast.

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[akaVEGAS]

Ive had my stall for one week. I will not lie, I change prices all the time, and I change items here and there also. I try to keep up with the competition, and I also do a lot of trading outside my stall. Im not using it for storage. I am switching items around to see what the people want, at prices they want to pay. I do not see how that's a bad thing. So it is pretty much changing it for everyone, because some abuse the system..

[jorb]

If by "a few people" you mean 75% of the stand owners then, yeah, sure, that's what it does.

[darnokpl]

real life example

I understand difference between rent and tax

But in real life we all have to pay taxes, in Salem taxes are only for stall owners and now rent will be higher no matter where your stall is.
Question is does stalls are going to be for anyone or only for large factions to make them even larger?

[akaVEGAS]

If by "a few people" you mean 75% of the stand owners then, yeah, sure, that's what it does.

Well Ive only noticed a few in Roanoke. Haven't been on the other servers. Ill keep my stall up and running, no matter what.. Just my opinion that they stall owners that run their stalls right shouldn't be punished because of the actions of the ones that do not. Make a system if there is zero inventory for x amount of days that stall becomes open for purchase. Just saying, not trying to argue, there could be other ways to take care of the problem..

[darnokpl]

If by "a few people" you mean 75% of the stand owners then, yeah, sure, that's what it does.

Well on JT it is low initial stall price fault