Game Development: Criminally Thanksgiving

[Dallane]

but def seems like braziers are working alot better. also its not worth playing the criminal lifestyle unless you have 4+ guys

[loftar]

That's weird, though. The braziers have been left completely untouched.

[colesie]

From everything that I've seen Darwoth is right, though ragey he may be

[Mushibag]

So here's my experience from further testing:

First we tried a little claim, with 1 wall and 5 braziers in range of the gate:

We double teamed the gate, and by the time it dropped, I had 32 black bile, down from 104 when I started. The other guy ran in and tried to take out a couple of braziers, but was unsuccessful, and also had to retreat. We didn't get a chance to see if there was anything in there worth taking, and left, figuring we'd just hit it again on the way back.

The second place had 2 walls, and 3 braziers in range of the gate.

Once again, we double teamed the gates, and I was able to take down 1 brazier while my cohort disposed of 2 more. A third guy ran in to check for loot. During my bashing of 2 gates and 1 brazier, I acquired 13 charges on the crime debuff, which was around 3 hours 45 minutes (at current rate). This dropped significantly as we moved away, and after about 20 minutes of walking it was down to ~15 minutes. This was when we passed the first place we'd hit, but didn't even bother sticking around to wait for it crime to wear off to check for loot, and just went home instead.

I think the changes are good, if they were indeed intended to completely take away incentive to raid even slightly defended bases, until we get siege weapons. But this leads me to believe that our fortress of lies is now completely impenetrable, and we actually have no need to even build the new walls at the moment. Obviously the whole crime + distance thing will be a lot more tolerable once we get some horses, but in it's current state, raiding is pretty much out of the question without at least 4-5 people with 100+ humours, and that's just to raid a little base with few defenses.

I'm not complaining or QQing, just sharing my experience.

P.S. Sorry about the quality of the screenshots, I forgot to take any, and got these from another guy.

[sabinati]

We double teamed the gate, and by the time it dropped, I had 32 black bile, down from 104 when I started. The other guy ran in and tried to take out a couple of braziers, but was unsuccessful, and also had to retreat. We didn't get a chance to see if there was anything in there worth taking, and left, figuring we'd just hit it again on the way back.

instead of bothering with taking out braziers, why didn't you just run in and grab **** and get out?

[Mushibag]

instead of bothering with taking out braziers, why didn't you just run in and grab **** and get out?

Well, when there are containers like in the first example:

there is no way of knowing which ones to grab. I'd like to see you stand there looking through all of them with braziers shooting you.

And with the second example, we knew we would have to send in the 3rd guy to check for loot, and he has much lower humours, so we had to do something to allow him time to look around.

[Sevenless]

Siege weapons will definitely make gate knocking... different. A lot depends on implementation.

Little thing I just thought of though: Split rail fences are so hilariously obsolete right now. As functional fences they're completely laughable, and they're not exactly cheap to make (relative to their utility I mean). I'd argue they're quite similar in resource intensity to stone hedges right now.

Might be worth making them cheaper considering raiders can rip through them like butter anyway. I'd think cutting the cost in half would make them worthwhile for making animal pens and the like when that update comes out.

[Darwoth]

finally someone else that actually plays the game and has also tested the changes chimes in, and amazingly says pretty much the exact same thing that i did. everyone (developers included) be sure to tell him he is just crying for 4 pages so as to continue the trend of making jackasses of yourselves.

[Shiala]

Siege weapons will definitely make gate knocking... different. A lot depends on implementation.

Little thing I just thought of though: Split rail fences are so hilariously obsolete right now. As functional fences they're completely laughable, and they're not exactly cheap to make (relative to their utility I mean). I'd argue they're quite similar in resource intensity to stone hedges right now.

Might be worth making them cheaper considering raiders can rip through them like butter anyway. I'd think cutting the cost in half would make them worthwhile for making animal pens and the like when that update comes out.

I agree with you about the material cost. I don't think it should take blocks and boards. Blocks and branches would be better. Another issue I have with the split rail fences, from a noob stand point, is the skill level required to make them. As someone who played H&H, I really expected them to be something I could build extremely early on just like the basic fence in H&H. Since its only real use is to keep critters and other total noobs out of your yard, you should be able to make them once you can build a leanto in my opinion.

[colesie]

But no really, the new system stinks.

Here's an example:
A certain larper spammed 100 leantos onto our village claim not so long ago. Under the new system in order to destroy all of said leanto's using criminal acts the perp would be forced to idle online for like 20 hours or some ridiculous number. That is just not good gameplay when it comes to avoiding griefing. (Quick and easy griefing at that)

On top of this, if you drop down a p claim on the village claim to break the leantos without scents anyone can break auth objects on that p claim. Super cool, right? RIGHT?! So you are then forced to spend thousands of silver to make a p claim, break the leantos, and then drop the p claim. YAMIHAVINGSOMUCHFUN?