Removing Trial by Combat

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Re: Removing Trial by Combat

Postby Taipion » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:51 pm

TotalyMeow wrote:I really don't want to get into why this won't work. Partly because I don't understand it well myself; I just know we can't reasonably police people based on IP.

But it doesn't matter because we don't WANT to police IPs. We don't mind if you play more than one character. There's a problem, I think, with terminology that some people use. You say 'Main', when what you mean is 'Farmer' or maybe 'Civilian'. You say 'Alt' when what you mean is 'Not the Civilian', while the word alt implies that said character is weak and undeveloped.

Back when I was raiding, my raider was my main character. I spent a lot more time on that one than on my civilian, and when it comes to humors, even my alternate raider had more than my civilian. I understand that someone can make a thief character with very low humors and only skills enough to steal from a leanto, but realistically if you want to raid seriously, you need hundreds of humors and a reasonably varied skill set. Losing something like that is pretty bad as it is and I really don't think we need to make farmers and mayors and tailors and the like more vulnerable or try to force them to raid.


Game of alts. -.-

Also, if you were actually mad about policing people, you could request an actual identification of the person behind the account, which is surely not desireable because of many reasons, but it technically is possible that way, whereas "cheating" such a thing can go as far as "being costly" for the offender due to your terms of service in such a case, or upright RL crime due to identity fraud, well, theoretically. ¦]



Now talking serious:
I don't want to get too much into how easy it is to raise a char to certain humor lvls if you have the necessary infrastructure...
As is it now, a crime-alt absolutely deserves the name alt, as it is a throwaway character whose life could end any second, which is in no way comparable to the risk of non-crime charactes suddenly dying, with certain exceptions ofc.
This means there is less connection between the player and the character, and less thrill.
You seem to clearly advertise the concept of alts, I dare to say it is a obvious flaw in any game, if you are required to use alts to explore all of the game while being at a crippling disadvantage if you dont use alts.
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Re: Removing Trial by Combat

Postby Darwoth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:35 am

Taipion wrote:i am a ***** idiot that thinks eve is a hardcore pvp game and have trouble with the concept that all those "disposable alts" are more valuable than my character is




when i locate your claim/town and destroy everything on it i will have used a character with a higher scalp score than yours, is that character still an "alt" or is there some kind of magic line or number where you ******* newbs consider it a "character" instead of an "alt"?

i am really glad that salem has JC at its helm as he would never listen to this retard ****.
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Re: Removing Trial by Combat

Postby Taipion » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:51 am

Darwoth wrote:usual random insults


If you want to say something, you might try talking instead of insulting...
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Re: Removing Trial by Combat

Postby Darwoth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:32 am

i already did say something, i once again pointed out that you are a clueless buffoon that talks solely out of the membrane of your *******. if you do not like being a buffoon and feel insulted by the fact that you are one maybe instead of crying about being insulted with truth you should instead try not to be so stupid. at least then i could have some variety and insult you for being a whiney ***** instead.
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Re: Removing Trial by Combat

Postby Taipion » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:28 am

Darwoth wrote:i already did say something, i once again pointed out that you are a clueless buffoon that talks solely out of the membrane of your *******. if you do not like being a buffoon and feel insulted by the fact that you are one maybe instead of crying about being insulted with truth you should instead try not to be so stupid. at least then i could have some variety and insult you for being a whiney ***** instead.

It's ok, here on the forums I developed the habit to quickly skip your insults and try to pick out what is actually meaningful, I am also not offended by what you say, it is not your fault after all, and I guess there will someday be a treatment for your tourette.
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Re: Removing Trial by Combat

Postby Judaism » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:51 am

A high end raider will be around a scalp score of around 3200, just counting biles.

With the required skills, it will come very close to a top 10 scalp and will likely yield a mask at this stage.

The problem here is that there are few people with those alts, besides the KKK and Darwoth I have not seen anyone hitting brick walls for example. They would simply get TBC'd, I do agree that most alts in the stocks are little raiders that can't even bash plank. I can therefore understand the general view on the matter, nevertheless at high end raiding, characters are not really little "alts".
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