Let's have that political discussion.

[L33LEE]

the fact claeyt has spent the entire thread trying to convince those that earn what they have that it is not only acceptable but desireable to give a large portion of their **** over to the dregs of society that do nothing but continue their parasitic way of life is just

pay close attention folks, when the country becomes balkanized and splits (along pretty much the same lines as the civil war) it will be because of people like claeyt.

Here in the states you have two choices:

Criminality

or

Benefits

If you do anything that would free you of benefits from the government, it is deemed criminal activity. Farm your own food? Enjoy walks in the woods? Raw milk? Oh goodness no! None of that. Its foodstamps and tax handouts, or jail. Take your pick.

I'm of a mind, when the split comes. I am heading south.

With Regards,

Shill the Thief

This is one of the sad facts about reality and something which i hate most.

Governments force people to be dependent on them, and doing anything outside of their "rules" will result in either hefty fines which leave you in a worse place, or imprisonment. No country's live in a Democracy, we all live in dictatorships, its just that we sometimes get to choose who the dictator is above us.

You cannot legally even forage in the UK on public owned land, as its considered stealing from the Crown, and technically speaking you can be prosecuted for it.

Or needing to pay twice for health insurance, Once for the "National health Insurance"(Taken directly from my pay pack without me being able to stop it) Which means all the free loaders and immigrants get free special health care with free drugs are more, and my privet health care(which i pay myself so i get DECENT HEALTH CARE) which is required as i would be waiting a lifetime behind social rejects who apparently are of more importance than me, and i need to wait 3 weeks for a simple GP appointment, because Mr,Addicted2Crack is more important than me, because if we do not look after him first, he might go on a crime spree.

I Sometimes wish the UK healthcare was Privatized.

[Claeyt]

Sorry for the walls guys but I love this sort of stuff.
I'll take each of these on separately.

every state has the legal right to secede

Where is this written in the Constitution of the US? I'm not a legal scholar, but if I recall my government classes correctly, it's a bit like the Crips. You can join, but you can never leave.

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about the comment above about negotiations:

http://lybio.net/tag/the-newsroom-tea-p ... an-quotes/
I encourage people to read this entire statement from the series on HBO "The Newsroom." It might seem a left-wing rant, but it really is a centrist opinion any sensible person should attend to. However, for the statement above, I'd like to point out the following excerpt:

[Will McAvoy]
It’s ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn’t Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It’s this man. [image of Jesus Christ displays]. He said ‘Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. ‘

[Will McAvoy - Reads On The Screen]
Ideological purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
Denying science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
A demonization of education
A need to control women’s bodies
Severe xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
A pathological hatred of the US government

[Will McAvoy] Source: LYBIO.net
They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican’s certainly shouldn’t. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban. And the American Taliban cannot survive if Dorothy Cooper is allowed to vote.

You can't negotiate with terrorists that are willing to hold a nation hostage to get what they want. Then again, maybe this nation needs to be held hostage for a while and realize how ridiculous some of its policies and spending are. But when did holding anyone hostage ever endear them to you or make for reasonable discussion? Stockholm syndrome aside....

edit: and I agree with jorb about the affordable healthcare act, but when you compare it with the current situation, it really is much better for the country than the status quo. Only if we could pass something reasonable like making euthanasia legal....

As always, MagicMan puts forth a good solid argument against the loonies.

You can't negotiate with terrorists that are willing to hold a nation hostage to get what they want. Then again, maybe this nation needs to be held hostage for a while and realize how ridiculous some of its policies and spending are.

Why isn't it the president who is "holding the nation hostage" by insisting on reforms and expenses that the nation's budget manifestly does not allow for? I've seen this meme that the republicans are somehow extra specially guilty of the heinous crime of shutting down government make the rounds in the establishment press -- even here in the Swedish editions of Pravda internatnl. -- and again the term "manufactured narrative" strikes me as very apt, when the fundamental problem so obviously is that the nation's finances are simply not in order. The country is broke, and the excesses have been insisted upon by both parties, with the republicans clamoring for Empire abroad, and the democrats for bread and circuses at home.

Furthermore, the whole point of constitutional government is that minorities should be able to stop the machinery of the state, and that the temporary "will" of a temporary and construed "majority" of a couple of percent of all people with a pulse not be allowed to dictate every minutiae of public affairs at the expense of said minority, but I digress, as the term "constitutional government" hasn't been applicable to the United States for at least a couple of generations, arguably since the Civil War.

And, oh noes, less gubmint? The horror.

The whole point of this shutdown is that we have no budget. It's shut down over a continuing budget resolution. The President isn't holding the nation hostage because he passed a law and was then re-approved by the electorate in last years election. The Republican House Members are holding us hostage because they are unable to change that law in any way and are going beyond any similar tactic in budget negotiations by demanding an active law be ended before they re-open the government or approve a debt limit vote. They will not be re-approved in next year's election and are polling very badly for it. Obama will then have both houses to do what he wants.

Both the Democrats in the Senate and the Republicans in the House have both passed budgets. The Democrats took years to get one done, so that's on them, but the Republicans have refused to agree to and assign a conference committee to negotiate for 6 months now until just this week as a last ditch effort to show they now want to negotiate. I agree that both sides are somewhat responsible for not taxing enough, and spending to much, but the president has nothing to do with the budget except be a cheer leader and bring people together which he's tried to do all summer. This shutdown is different though. The republicans are demanding that the president and the senate negate a standing law before they are willing to continue this budget (this continuing resolution or CR). This is unique in the history of budgetary negotiations in the United States.

No matter what you think about the ACA (or Obamacare) it's the law. Is it perfect? No...but it helps millions of people that had zero access to health care before. I've said here before that a single payer system like Canada's or Sweden's is much better, more effective and cheaper than either Obamacare or the status quo. Foreigners and especially people from Sweden don't really understand how bad our health system was here before Obamacare. Health problems routinely meant bankruptcy and losing your house or job. Insurance companies were able to pick and choose who they covered at any moment. If you were diagnosed with cancer, your health insurance company could simply drop you so as to not have to pay. Obamacare is better and it's very capitalistic. The nearest European comparison to Obamacare would be Germany's health care system and even then it's not even close. Get over it, it's the law and it's not going anywhere until the Republicans take all 3 houses which looks like a very long time from now.

The whole point of a constitutional government is not for the minority to be able to stop it. It's for the minority to have a voice in the process. Things are voted on. Things are passed and then they succeed or fail or are changed. If the public disagrees then in a year or two they get to vote out the people who made the law so that the then minority becomes the majority and can either change or end the law. The CR from the Senate that would reopen the government would pass right now if the House leadership didn't have the ability to simply hold it up indefinitely. The Democrats in the House just put forth the petition to force them to have a vote on it. We'll see what happens.

There is a horror to less government in many ways right now over here. And your defense of the Civil War as the last true freedom in America once again shows your absolute misunderstanding of what America is and where it came from. That you'd defend the defenders of the idea that States rights included the right to make laws to hold others in slavery and that somehow that it was Constitutionally okay for them to leave the government over their disagreement with the elected president and that issue is repugnant and shows your true colors jorb.

[Claeyt]

This is one of the sad facts about reality and something which i hate most.

Governments force people to be dependent on them, and doing anything outside of their "rules" will result in either hefty fines which leave you in a worse place, or imprisonment. No country's live in a Democracy, we all live in dictatorships, its just that we sometimes get to choose who the dictator is above us.

You cannot legally even forage in the UK on public owned land, as its considered stealing from the Crown, and technically speaking you can be prosecuted for it.

Or needing to pay twice for health insurance, Once for the "National health Insurance"(Taken directly from my pay pack without me being able to stop it) Which means all the free loaders and immigrants get free special health care with free drugs are more, and my privet health care(which i pay myself so i get DECENT HEALTH CARE) which is required as i would be waiting a lifetime behind social rejects who apparently are of more importance than me, and i need to wait 3 weeks for a simple GP appointment, because Mr,Addicted2Crack is more important than me, because if we do not look after him first, he might go on a crime spree.

I Sometimes wish the UK healthcare was Privatized.

Governments do not force people to depend on them. The give them a voice in the system of organized government at all levels. I don't live in a Dictatorship. I don't like everything my government does sometimes, but I get a chance to vote against them if I dislike what they're doing. I've met my federal senator 5 times in the last 4 years. I even shared a shuttle bus at the airport with her once. On every one of those occasions she's listened to me even when we disagreed and seemed actually interested in what I had to say. Not all politicians are like that but here in America you'd be amazed how much you can talk to federal politicians if you simply show up at various town meetings and ****.

People haven't been able to legally forage in the UK on public lands for hundreds of years. Over here you can't either. You can't go hunting without a hunting permit. You can't fish without a fishing permit. You can't pick mushrooms in National Parks or State Parks (You can pick them on other state land but in some areas a permit is required). Why? Because back when people almost fished out areas and hunted out areas. The permits are relatively cheap and all proceeds go to game wardens and the state Department of Natural Resources and also the Department of the Interior federally. If we didn't have a permit process then any body could simply kill all the deer or kill all the fish or build a polluting mine next to your house whenever they wanted. Government provides a process for you to use those things.

You absolutely get a chance to stop them from taking health care taxes from your paycheck. You get to vote for politicians who promise to stop it. Unfortunately more people disagree with you than agree with you. If you're worried about your costs over there I hope you realize that your government single payer system is actually saving you thousands of dollars a year. Your Per capita spending there is 3,100 while mine is over 7,500 per person for health care. Even with your private care, you're still paying a hell of a lot less than me because your government has realized that bulk buying of healthcare and providing it themselves without the middle man of insurance companies is much, much cheaper for their taxpayers.

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[Claeyt]

You're absolutely right Jorb. We should turn away from the philosophy of Reaganomics and go back to taxing ourselves at the correct level to keep our deficit from growing out of hand. Re-instate pre-Reagan Tax levels now according to Jorb.

You really do believe that there are meaningful differences between the administrations of the various Emperors, don't you?

Hint: There aren't.

... but, sure, raising present taxes is infinitely better than -- as is now instead the case -- foisting the debt burden for your wasteful, gluttonous, profligate welfare state on future generations through various underhand means of deferred payment, i.e. lending and inflation. It also gives people a far better idea of the actual costs of the welfare-warfare state, which is precisely why the political class shamelessly strives to obscure those at every turn of the manufactured narrative that passes for political debate.

Raising present taxes to the point where medicare, medicaid and social security are fully funded -- along, of course, with the maintenance of the empire abroad -- would also make it painfully obvious just exactly how broke your Washington and Wall S:t friends -- or rather their tax-paying serfs -- are.

Your precious commie-care is a piece of legislation drafted, written and paid for by big insurance and big pharma. You are acting as a shill for the corporate state and imperialism.

There are differences. We've talked about them before. Your delusion of who they represent as politicians is a cynical response that shows you've never tried to actually be involved in your government besides voting. If you like a politician, go help him become elected. If you want a voice then use it Jorb. Don't just sit there in the back alley of the internet and snipe and whine about idiotic conspiracies. Change the world Jorb or you'll just keep watching from the sidelines.

We have manufactured narratives here but you'd be amazed at how approachable our politicians are. No you can't simply talk to the President, but I can go and ask my federal senator or federal congressperson anything at multiple meetings they hold to the public. Hell I saw my congressman at a street fair and shook his hand 2 weekends ago. Most of them almost seem desperate to meet people out there and get feed back.

Social Security isn't as bad as Medicare right now. It's fully funded for about the next 10 years but needs changes. Simply including all wages under the social security tax (right now it's capped at 100,000) would go a long way to fixing it. Medicare is not fully funded and needs changes which are happening under Obama. Medicaid is part of the federal budget so it can't be underfunded, it's budgeted. I suppose the entire U.S. budget is underfunded so you could argue that, but medicaid is just a part of it.

Do we need to tax at the amount we use? Yes. Do we need to adjust our spending to our means? Yes (especially our military budget). A compromised agreement on tax reform back to pre-Reagan levels and with changes to international tax haven law and capitol gains taxes alongside changes to our government spending including things like medicaid and medicare and especially our military budget is necessary. Unfortunately these Republicans and the Tea Party don't want to do that. They'd rather close it down forever.

Of course, if the budget through some miracle of God or the Devil ever did become balanced, your buddies with the whips would only, true to form, take that as an excuse to go burn another fantasillion megabucks on yet another round of meth and a cheap hookers, or the socio-economic equivalents thereof, namely bombs and welfare spending.

Our government was fully funded and Social Security and Medicare were solid as recently as the late 90's under Clinton. We could do it again easily with the things I mentioned.

[Claeyt]

I saved you for last Darwoth, just because I love arguing against the lunatic fringe movements the best.

...and there we have it. Darwoth WANTS another Civil War in America.

i did not say anything about a civil war you stupid little piece of ****, i said the country would become balkanized (news flash, it has been for decades already and gets worse every year) and eventually split, which it will.

there are secessionist movements in nearly half of the states already, even maine wants to secede. texas just signed a petition with 150,000 signatures to secede, every state has the legal right to secede, montana has stated they will arrest the feds if they are caught in their state trying to enforce federal gun control laws, the free state project and numerous knock offs thereof, even the liberal ***** states are at odds with the feds over their pot laws. i could go on and on.

at the end of the day what it comes down to claeyt is that real americans (like me) mostly just want to be left alone to pursue our lives as we see fit and let our neighbors do the same. communist ***** like yourself find this unacceptable and want to tell us how to spend our money, what we can do, where we can live, what we have to eat, what kind of car to drive, that we must defile our houses of worship, that we must hold our tongue for fear of offending someone, that we must indoctrinate our children in your idealogy and on and on all in the name of controlling our lives.

you need us, we do not need (or want) you.

all of your posts, all of your ***** is just that. *****. your entire philosophy is built upon stealing the lifesblood of others to use as you see fit. and that is why throughout history your type pushes and pushes, and takes and takes until there is nothing left to take so you think of new things to take, then the producers try to leave only to be told they cannot leave.

and that is when things get interesting.

The country will never split again. It's idiotic to think it will.

Secessionist movements, State Militias and Right Wing groups including Neo-Nazi groups have all been on the rise under Obama. They're all fringe movements with no legitimate political supporters. The most they'll ever be able to accomplish would be another Oklahoma city style bombing or possible political assassination from some lunatic supporter who reads their stuff on the internet like Gabby Gifford's shooter.

Of course the Texas petition has nowhere to go and will be another reason to laugh at Texas politics for awhile. No state politician signed It to my knowledge no matter Perry's idiotic comments.

There's of course both an ATF and FBI office in Montana that are daily enforcing federal gun laws. No Montana politician or law enforcer are going after them because of some jackass state law that tried to supersede federal law.

The Federal government could still enforce it's laws in Colorado and Washington or for that matter in my city where an ounce of weed will only get you a non-criminal parking ticket style punishment now. Those states have only changed their laws to reflect the wishes of their voters. Obama's finally turning around and realizing that we could save billions of dollars a day if we don't imprison non-violent drug offenders. The Drug War is over. You lost.

The idea that you're somehow more of a "Real" American is actually pretty ludicrous. The American government mostly represents my views, not yours. You're placing yourself outside of the 'Real America' every time you type. You disagree with the president, yet a solid majority voted him in twice. You disagree with gay marriage unlike most of the 'Real America'. You disagree with any social programs run by the government even though Social Security and Medicare have broad support even with Republicans.

The truth is Darwoth that you are the one who isn't the 'Real American'. You don't recognize the country because it's different than what your right wing parents taught you it was supposed to look like. You don't like it and feel powerless to change what you seem to view as a tidal wave of progressive actions that have happened since the Civil War even though they've been a hard fought trickle over generations. Eventually you'll see men walking hand in hand along the sidewalk and women kissing and you'll be the only one in the room who thinks it's weird. Even now your politicians fade and decrease in power and you'll wonder why the rest of the country doesn't wake up and vote for them. You'll never understand why.

The truth is that your view of the world is wrong Darwoth and it's been warped by whatever Southern Confederate historical museum you grew up in. You can't understand why the Confederacy is now viewed as evil and that's the point Darwoth. You're too weak and inflexible of mind to change it. You'll simply be left in the past until even your kids will make fun of your political views behind your back.

As for the producers (including you) leaving the country: Feel free. There are no travel restrictions in America except if you want to travel to Cuba. We sure as hell won't miss you. You'll miss America though. If there's one thing I've learned about the idiot Right is that if they ever leave the country they feel lost and can't understand why the world is what it is. They sure as hell can't adapt to their new country. You'd be like the Nazi's moving to Paraguay or Mitt Romney's Grandfather in Mexico. You'd just try and fail to recreate the magical mystery world you think America is supposed to be but never was.

[L33LEE]

This is one of the sad facts about reality and something which i hate most.

Governments force people to be dependent on them, and doing anything outside of their "rules" will result in either hefty fines which leave you in a worse place, or imprisonment. No country's live in a Democracy, we all live in dictatorships, its just that we sometimes get to choose who the dictator is above us.

You cannot legally even forage in the UK on public owned land, as its considered stealing from the Crown, and technically speaking you can be prosecuted for it.

Or needing to pay twice for health insurance, Once for the "National health Insurance"(Taken directly from my pay pack without me being able to stop it) Which means all the free loaders and immigrants get free special health care with free drugs are more, and my privet health care(which i pay myself so i get DECENT HEALTH CARE) which is required as i would be waiting a lifetime behind social rejects who apparently are of more importance than me, and i need to wait 3 weeks for a simple GP appointment, because Mr,Addicted2Crack is more important than me, because if we do not look after him first, he might go on a crime spree.

I Sometimes wish the UK healthcare was Privatized.

Governments do not force people to depend on them. The give them a voice in the system of organized government at all levels. I don't live in a Dictatorship. I don't like everything my government does sometimes, but I get a chance to vote against them if I dislike what they're doing. I've met my federal senator 5 times in the last 4 years. I even shared a shuttle bus at the airport with her once. On every one of those occasions she's listened to me even when we disagreed and seemed actually interested in what I had to say. Not all politicians are like that but here in America you'd be amazed how much you can talk to federal politicians if you simply show up at various town meetings and ****.

People haven't been able to legally forage in the UK on public lands for hundreds of years. Over here you can't either. You can't go hunting without a hunting permit. You can't fish without a fishing permit. You can't pick mushrooms in National Parks or State Parks (You can pick them on other state land but in some areas a permit is required). Why? Because back when people almost fished out areas and hunted out areas. The permits are relatively cheap and all proceeds go to game wardens and the state Department of Natural Resources and also the Department of the Interior federally. If we didn't have a permit process then any body could simply kill all the deer or kill all the fish or build a polluting mine next to your house whenever they wanted. Government provides a process for you to use those things.

You absolutely get a chance to stop them from taking health care taxes from your paycheck. You get to vote for politicians who promise to stop it. Unfortunately more people disagree with you than agree with you. If you're worried about your costs over there I hope you realize that your government single payer system is actually saving you thousands of dollars a year. Your Per capita spending there is 3,100 while mine is over 7,500 per person for health care. Even with your private care, you're still paying a hell of a lot less than me because your government has realized that bulk buying of healthcare and providing it themselves without the middle man of insurance companies is much, much cheaper for their taxpayers.

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All problems related to population control. But that is another discussion.

[MagicManICT]

@claeyt: the abolitionists were a fringe movement at first (albeit one that is as old as the United States and really as old as the colonial period itself when slavery by European countries started to rise again after the dark and middle ages when serfdom and fiefdom was the rule). Most groups start off as fringe groups and somehow change the way the world thinks. This is the nature of evolution whether your talking in nature with organisms or in politics and social organization with the way we think. In fact, while we take "meme" to mean a certain thing today, the first time I saw this word was in a philosophical work in the early-mid 90s discussing these things and labeled the various movements and levels of thinking as a meme.

edit: here's an OECD paper with 2009 figures. Notice the increase in $ of GDP: http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/49084355.pdf. Some nice looking, informational charts there.

@jorb: We could say the president is holding the country hostage, but the majority of Americans are for some sort of healthcare reform. Is it the Affordable Care Act they want? No, not really, but then we couldn't get the Republicans to vote for the bill that the American public wanted (according to polls). As it sits for now, this is a legally passed act and it is a handful of teabaggers that are ***** on American politics. They ARE the American Taliban and should be treated as such until they can act like grown-ups, ie in a mature and responsible manner.

@general consensus of another separatist action: It's going to happen. It may not be in our lifetime, or our children's lifetime, or even for another century. However, if you can't see it, you're blind to history, and you know what they say about those that fail history.... (Technically speaking, there are separatist movements going on now, but none so far are a real threat to the status quo.)

[Darwoth]

once again claeyt dumps 40 tons of irrelevant antagonist ***** into the mix hoping to create a half dozen side disputes to obscure and shift attention away from the fact that his entire "argument" is merely that he is a communist and wants to tell you how to live your life while stealing your property and giving it to pieces of human garbage like himself.

[Claeyt]

@claeyt: the abolitionists were a fringe movement at first (albeit one that is as old as the United States and really as old as the colonial period itself when slavery by European countries started to rise again after the dark and middle ages when serfdom and fiefdom was the rule). Most groups start off as fringe groups and somehow change the way the world thinks. This is the nature of evolution whether your talking in nature with organisms or in politics and social organization with the way we think. In fact, while we take "meme" to mean a certain thing today, the first time I saw this word was in a philosophical work in the early-mid 90s discussing these things and labeled the various movements and levels of thinking as a meme.

edit: here's an OECD paper with 2009 figures. Notice the increase in $ of GDP: http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/49084355.pdf. Some nice looking, informational charts there.

@jorb: We could say the president is holding the country hostage, but the majority of Americans are for some sort of healthcare reform. Is it the Affordable Care Act they want? No, not really, but then we couldn't get the Republicans to vote for the bill that the American public wanted (according to polls). As it sits for now, this is a legally passed act and it is a handful of teabaggers that are ***** on American politics. They ARE the American Taliban and should be treated as such until they can act like grown-ups, ie in a mature and responsible manner.

@general consensus of another separatist action: It's going to happen. It may not be in our lifetime, or our children's lifetime, or even for another century. However, if you can't see it, you're blind to history, and you know what they say about those that fail history.... (Technically speaking, there are separatist movements going on now, but none so far are a real threat to the status quo.)

The difference between Right wing fringe movements like the Tea Party and the other one's I mentioned and Left Wing fringe movements like Abolitionists, Woman's Suffrage and Occupy wall street are three fold.

One: Youth

Generally the left wing movements are a youth movement. The abolitionist and Woman's suffrage movements were led by established leaders but made up largely of a younger population.

Example: You can of course see this dramatically between Occupy Wall street and the geriatric protesters of the Tea Party movement.

Two: Progressive Ideas of the Left versus Reactionary Ideas of the Right.

Generally the left wing movements are promoting new ideas such as woman's right to vote or civil liberties for blacks while the right wing movements are reacting to some idea or something that changed. You can see it in the Tea Party and also with McCarthyism (rise of the Soviets and fall of China) and Reaganism (Creation of the Great Society under Johnson).

Example: You can see this with the fight for Gay Marriage

Three: Right Wing movements are defending an idea, maintaining what they view as right or defending something against encroaching forces while Left Wing Movements are generally trying to change something that didn't exist before or attack the status quo of society as a whole.

Seperatist actions won't happen for the single reason that so much of the active armed forces, and specifically their equipment are overseas now. While only 14% or of active personnel are overseas that includes so much of the equipment and active combat troops that it would be impossible for any separatist movement to use them. Their transportation back to the states would be directed by the Government.

Secondly the army as a whole would never be able to join any separatist movement completely. They'd be too spread out to be entirely in any separatist area even though 1/3 of army bases are in the South. The National character of all units now would also lead to most if not all units following the government. Regional forces such as State Guard units of course would be annihilated if they every rose up.

Lastly, even if a single state or region rose up and declared their independence a structure already exists for taking over their political structure because of the Civil War. The National Armed forces would simply march in and install federal control They would have no national support for their actions and it's idiotic to even try it.

[Claeyt]

once again claeyt dumps 40 tons of irrelevant antagonist ***** into the mix hoping to create a half dozen side disputes to obscure and shift attention away from the fact that his entire "argument" is merely that he is a communist and wants to tell you how to live your life while stealing your property and giving it to pieces of human garbage like himself.

I looked up Yahoo answers to see what you meant by calling me a communist.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070624144122AAjgoAZ
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517035214AADbWu9

Generally I view any jackass conservative that calls me a communist doesn't know what communism is and has lost the argument.

I'm a Progressive Social-Democrat with a touch of Humanism and proud to be Liberal.