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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:35 pm

Darwoth wrote:social security, medicare and medicaid are handouts that need to be eliminated, the country does not have the ability to pay everyones lunch indefinitely without imploding.


I won't discuss medicaid because it is an entitlement program. Everyone is entitled to their opinions on these things on whether their good or bad, and there's tons of "research" pointing both ways on them. It comes down to what you trust and your morals.

Medicare and Social Security, on the other hand, are supposed to be a separate tax off your paycheck (FICA and forget the other category). This is the complete opposite of an entitlement. (There is the clause in the SSA that allows for a minimum living expense for the disabled, which makes up a severe minority of those collecting benefits, or at least was the intention.) The Federal government was supposed to keep their hands out of this cookie jar so that when people came of retirement age, there was a nice buffer of monies paid in by the employees (and matching funds by employers) to cover any expenses here as well as the payouts. However, due to the baby boom after WWII, there was an excess of funds in the coffers (some would say severe excess at the time) and the Feds started dipping into this "borrowing" money against the future to cover budget overruns. It's just gotten worse. Now, baby boomers are retiring and the funds are expected to dry up because the size of the workforce is undergoing the expected shrinkage.

Now, I will express my opinion on some of the disabled benefits. I have a cousin that has some very severe mental health issues. He's violent and considered unemployable. While he is considered treatable, it's only to the point that he doesn't have to be housed in a facility and can care for himself. I don't think he's had a job more than 3 months ever. The alternative would be that he continues trying to work until one day he goes off on the wrong person and ends up in prison. This would likely be an endless cycle until at some point the cost of imprisonment would be higher than the benefits he's likely to collect over a lifetime. The cost of even the lowest security inmate is nearly twice per year as what social security, medicaid, and welfare (food stamps) pay out to the disabled. A maximum security inmate (what most violent inmates get put in) is about double the cost of supervision and housing as a minimum security inmate.

We won't even discuss people that actually got injured on the job and can't work. (Can't, not won't retrain and find different work.) If a person thinks that these people don't deserve the pittance of assistance they get from the state (because workman's comp is complete **** in many cases), they should really be put in the other person's shoes for just a year and shipped off to a country without any of these benefits.

I'm probably shooting myself in the foot with this one, but... as far as the "Welfare Mom" goes... I can think of a lot of solutions to help with this, but the various states and federal government refuse to look at them because they're too expensive in the short term or considered oppressive to those that are already disenfranchised. Paid abortions would be one option (good luck getting that past the Moral Majority, though). Birth control solutions that don't require daily or weekly monitoring (pills, condoms) is another.

maggie wrote: we watched the person in front of us using a welfare credit card buy all kinds of unnecessary items like chips and cookies


This has been a huge debate the last decade or two. It's also considered as one of the causes of obesity in the US. If you're that desperate for chips and cookies, you can make them yourself in under 30 minutes each, and nobody is going to know that's what your buying potatoes and salt or flour, sugar and butter for.

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I just have to know, how reliable is this website?
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby Greb » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:22 am

Probably not that reliable, but taking into account the video is from Russia Today, it is one of Russian propaganda news channels.
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby RuneNL » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:05 am

They claim to be independent of mainstream and the powers that control, hence they are in Russia.

The question; why would this not be true is more interesting then otherwise.
US national guard installed for use within the US and against 'terrorist groups' in the US.
Dissarming the US population...

At the end of the day we all live on a farm and pay our owners parts of our wages (produce).
It has been like this since the dawn of 'civilized civilisation'. Work hard and become more free then debt trapped cattle.

Since 9/11 freedoms in the western world have been reduced by quite alot.
Camera's everywhere... Yet things have been going down the ***** in a steady pace.

The majority of people have to deal with neighborhood deterioration (bad town/city planning), more ghetto's more poverty... Education system is getting worse and worse... Europe now has a central bank so the value of the Euro is ***** now too...
People are then occupied with fear and 'horizontal conflict' while the governments adopt laws that just take away more freedoms. Can go on for days about this subject.

I am pretty much a Liberal but at this stage in time. Let the US population keep their right to bare arms.
I don't trust the government because its ruled by overly paid protected individuals and corperations with personal agenda's.

Welcome to the age of a Corporate Republic, sit back and enjoy its poverty increasing beauty.

The healthcare is another subject...
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby MagicManICT » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:15 pm

RuneNL wrote:I am pretty much a Liberal but at this stage in time. Let the US population keep their right to bare arms.
I don't trust the government because its ruled by overly paid protected individuals and corperations with personal agenda's.


While none of the founding fathers ever explicitly said it, the whole idea is that government should fear the people. The moment the government loses this fear, We the People have failed.
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby L33LEE » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:16 am

MagicManICT wrote:
RuneNL wrote:I am pretty much a Liberal but at this stage in time. Let the US population keep their right to bare arms.
I don't trust the government because its ruled by overly paid protected individuals and corperations with personal agenda's.


While none of the founding fathers ever explicitly said it, the whole idea is that government should fear the people. The moment the government loses this fear, We the People have failed.


Well that ideal was lost many years ago then. The American people failed.
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby Claeyt » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:48 am

MagicManICT wrote:While none of the founding fathers ever explicitly said it, the whole idea is that government should fear the people. The moment the government loses this fear, We the People have failed.

Politicians fear the people. They understand that they're one crotch selfie away from a complete meltdown of their career.
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby Darwoth » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:26 am

i am going to start killing newbs on roanoke everytime claeyt posts, i should of participated more the first time when binks and chief were doing it.
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby Claeyt » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:22 am

Darwoth wrote:i am going to start killing newbs on roanoke everytime claeyt posts, i should of participated more the first time when binks and chief were doing it.

Like you're not killing them all anyways. :roll:
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby Darwoth » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:05 am

Claeyt wrote:
Darwoth wrote:i am going to start killing newbs on roanoke everytime claeyt posts, i should of participated more the first time when binks and chief were doing it.

Like you're not killing them all anyways. :roll:



well there is a big difference between a target of opportunity and an actual effort.

targets of opportunity are random encounters which are few and far between, an actual effort would be something like joining various newbie villages and killing everyone. guess which one my newest murderer "belethor the merchant" is going to be up to?
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Re: Let's have that political discussion.

Postby Claeyt » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:04 am

Darwoth wrote:
Claeyt wrote:
Darwoth wrote:i am going to start killing newbs on roanoke everytime claeyt posts, i should of participated more the first time when binks and chief were doing it.

Like you're not killing them all anyways. :roll:



well there is a big difference between a target of opportunity and an actual effort.

targets of opportunity are random encounters which are few and far between, an actual effort would be something like joining various newbie villages and killing everyone. guess which one my newest murderer "belethor the merchant" is going to be up to?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well I see 2 things happening. Either you start playing Roanoke more and miss the chance to nip that Tribal town on Jamestown in the bud.

or

You eventually get caught because you go after the easy noobs while every titan on Roanoke is hunting you.

This troll attempt is so old it's wearing diapers Darwoth. Quit copying other people's troll attempts. I thought you weren't playing Roanoke that much anyways. :lol:
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