TL;DR: The Thread

[Claeyt]

Would anyone mind if I split this topic into two? I'll try to keep relevant posts in here.

I'm ok with this. May I suggest that the new thread be titled "Claeyt's warped perception on social dynamics"?

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

How about "Misogynistic Midgets learn nothing, have no girlfriends."

[FutureForJames]

Would anyone mind if I split this topic into two? I'll try to keep relevant posts in here.

I'm ok with this. May I suggest that the new thread be titled "Claeyt's warped perception on social dynamics"?

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

How about "Misogynistic Midgets learn nothing, have no girlfriends."

What makes you think MM is heterosexual when everything they've done points towards the opposite?

[Tonkyhonk]

It can tell you very basic comparisons between economies.

it sure helps to create another fantasy for your basic understandings of the outside world.

No, I said that's it better for the mother, the child and society in general when some form of post birth time is given for the mother to spend with her child without fear for her job. Do you think that companies should be allowed to fire a woman for getting pregnant? How much time would you allow after birth for the mother to come back to her job? A month, a week, a day?

nobody is complaining about the fact that mothers need time away from work to have children.
you just keep on missing the important point, and dont seem to understand the employer's (and maybe also their customers') situation because you are biased and only thinking about mothers' side. have you EVER considered this seriously outside school? when someone leaves, someone else has to take the place, and when she comes back, that someone else who took it over will have to leave, or their company has to grow to afford another employee and job. and its not like one company has only one or two female workers. the situation can go worse when they have more female workers. what happens when a dozen female workers have to take a leave at the same time? can employees ask all female workers to "plan" and "carry out the plan" exactly? NO. then what can employers do? what is the option for them? to charge more from the customers which may result in losing them and end up firing employees?

Again, I said I don't support Affirmative action, it's a quick fix to less minority students in college.

lolwhat? is there another definition of the word under social liberalism to play with words?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_opportunity from the link you posted back when,

You'll notice in the second paragraph how Progressive ideology has changed the interpretation of Equality of Opportunity from the belief in meritocracy to that of using the philosophy for discrimination laws, and to promote social mobility and upward mobility. We've changed it to define "Equal Opportunities" as well as promoting a meritocracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome from the link you posted back when,

You'll notice that basic "Equality of Outcome" as defined by Progressive Democratic-Socialism is not in complete opposition to "Equality of Opportunity". We still live in meritocracies. We still live in a world of success through abilities. We've simply decided, democratically, that a basic right to social welfare is good for society. Fanatical "Equality of Outcome" would be in direct opposition to "Equality of Opportunity" but basic levels of taxation and basic levels of welfare, social security and government run healthcare aren't destroying all "Equality of Opportunity", for the same reason that absolute "Equality of Opportunity" and meritocracy would destroy our freedoms, but general basic meritocracy is good for society. They contrast, but are not in direct polar opposition to each other. It's not even a spectrum, rather, the two work parallel to each other while sometimes competing against each other at specific points or roadblocks.

The examples that were given and my arguments against them or for them, are those specific roadblocks that we as a society have solved and continue to solve, democratically, over time.

do you even understand what you wrote?
changing the interpretation does not remove the issues to make less "mutually exclusive". it can be less "mutually exclusive" when those issues are solved, when such fanatical outcome is gone, and when government run rules and "so-called roadblocks" stop destroying true opportunities.

sure, lots of old people are jealous at us living in modern world, right?
you should ignore the old crying nostalgia because they werent educated well enough, its their fault that they cry now, right?

I am not young enough to know everything.

Who's crying? What are you talking about? Old People? Most Old people where I live aren't jealous of the young. They're glad they lived when they did and yes, some of them fear the future with it's brown skin and uncertainty, but accept this future as the one that became, while they were living.

And as to Oscar Wilde: Do you think he would think that this time is a "Bright Future", where he could love and marry a man without repercussion? I think he would have loved to live now and would have viewed this young future as much better than his old era.

1. i dont use blue fonts for sarcasm. and you just refuted yourself.
2. not only Oscar Wilde, but ancient chinese texts often tell you too that those who insist to know more actually know less; the more you know, the more you realize you dont know. i just thought it would be better to quote him for you, as you are supposed to be a native English speaker.
3. i can tell from your comment that all you know about Oscar Wilde is that he liked boys.

My mind is open, and I am not prejudiced, and no, words are not the only factor to insult, but they're part of it. And yes I'm also hiding behind a fake name, but I'm throwing out other ideas than his.

your comparison is invalid. its the same "eye **** laughing at nose ****". you may find yourself better, but its the same ****.

筌者所以在魚，得魚而忘筌；蹄者所以在兔，得兔而忘蹄 ; 言者所以在意，得意而忘言

"A fishtrap is to catch fish; you catch a fish and you forget about the trap. A snare is to catch rabbits; you catch a rabbit and you forget about the snare. A word is to convey its meaning; you get a meaning and you forget about the word." ~ Zhuangzi
in other words, "Who the hell cares what each word actually means when you understand it? if you do, go ***** yourself, cause i dont." ~ Tonky
Zhuangzi also calls a person like you as "井底之蛙; a frog in a well that cannot conceive of the ocean".

Yes the world changes, but the direction of right and wrong is made, not blown. We interpret things as wrong or immoral now, because people have worked against it, and changed what society believs.

"Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Always." - Gandi.

you are trying to win the hatred for the words jorb/loftar used. that is not trying to win truth and love like Gandi. you fail.

The Salem witch trials turned against those in the community who spoke against it. Those that called the trials, religious persecution and hysteria unfair were then branded as witches. After the trials, those who sought justice for the victims changed the history of law and religion in New England, and the United States

and those who carried out the trials and persecutions were those "well-educated", regarded as "productive members of the society", like yourself, young lady?

What kind of teacher do you like. I'll change my methodology to fit that then.

just basic things, like someone who actually comprehends english for an english teacher, of course. someone who would actually listen to students. not someone who outright ignores some issues students talk about and tell them nicely "such issues dont exist, dear?"

Everything I've stated is absolutely in the real world.

It's not a fantasy if it's the world we are living in.

My window is wide open, and I would like everybody else to see the sun also, instead of hiding in their basements fearing the future.

a dreamer doesnt know she is in a dream.
your sun painted on the wallpaper does not give you real sunlight.
the sunlight shines onto all equally no matter good or bad and help them grow to let all co-exist.

i dont see any respects coming from you, Claeyt. all i see is your shout to other salem players to think the same way as you do. and when they dont, you assume "They should feel guilty for defending Greed, Homophobia, and Discrimination".

They should feel guilty for that. If they don't, then their ideas need to be challenged as to why the rest of Society believes them to be wrong on those ideas. If they are incapable of changing their minds, then good luck to them in the tide of this changing world that they are fighting against. They will be alone and afraid of this future that's being created.

they shouldnt feel guilty because they arent defending greed, homophobia, and discrimination. you are only accusing them of doing so because they dont agree with your viewpoint. free your mind, girl.

p.s.
Misogynistic Midgets? wow, what a nice word coming from a celebrity!

and i see this is a waste of time. i dont mind you locking this thread at all, mods.

[alloin]

rly ?

[TeckXKnight]

Topic split. Please try to keep posts relevant to the topic that they are now in.

[colesie]

TL;DR

[Claeyt]

It can tell you very basic comparisons between economies.

it sure helps to create another fantasy for your basic understandings of the outside world.

I don't know what country you live in, but I've been describing real government programs here. So I don't know what you're talking about when you're trolling with the whole fantasy world thing.

nobody is complaining about the fact that mothers need time away from work to have children.
you just keep on missing the important point, and dont seem to understand the employer's (and maybe also their customers') situation because you are biased and only thinking about mothers' side. have you EVER considered this seriously outside school? when someone leaves, someone else has to take the place, and when she comes back, that someone else who took it over will have to leave, or their company has to grow to afford another employee and job. and its not like one company has only one or two female workers. the situation can go worse when they have more female workers. what happens when a dozen female workers have to take a leave at the same time? can employees ask all female workers to "plan" and "carry out the plan" exactly? NO. then what can employers do? what is the option for them? to charge more from the customers which may result in losing them and end up firing employees?

I'll ask again, Do you think companies should be able to fire a woman if she gets pregnant or not let her come back to her job if she takes the leave allowed by the government?

Again, I said I don't support Affirmative action, it's a quick fix to less minority students in college.

lolwhat? is there another definition of the word under social liberalism to play with words?

every single time it's come up, I've said I don't support it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_opportunity from the link you posted back when,

You'll notice in the second paragraph how Progressive ideology has changed the interpretation of Equality of Opportunity from the belief in meritocracy to that of using the philosophy for discrimination laws, and to promote social mobility and upward mobility. We've changed it to define "Equal Opportunities" as well as promoting a meritocracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome from the link you posted back when,

do you even understand what you wrote?

I absolutely understand what I wrote, and more so I supported what I wrote with the wikipedia pages. The differing opinions about "Equality of Opportunity" is right there.

those issues are solved, when such fanatical outcome is gone, and when government run rules and "so-called roadblocks" stop destroying true opportunities.

True opportunities for whom, The Rich, White people, Those lucky enough to get ahead or be ahead. General "Equality of Opportunity" and General "Equality of Outcome" are not competing against each other. The enemy of opportunity, meritocracy and egalitarianism is nepotism, cronyism, discrimination, corruption and privilege. The enemy of socialized outcome for the betterment of society at large is uncontrolled, unregulated capitalism, libertarianism, and inherited wealth.

1. i dont use blue fonts for sarcasm. and you just refuted yourself.
2. not only Oscar Wilde, but ancient chinese texts often tell you too that those who insist to know more actually know less; the more you know, the more you realize you dont know. i just thought it would be better to quote him for you, as you are supposed to be a native English speaker.
3. i can tell from your comment that all you know about Oscar Wilde is that he liked boys.

Where did I refute myself? I don't see it.
As I've said repeatedly in this thread, I enter all things with an open mind and the knowledge that I am not smarter or wiser than anyone.
Oscar Wilde liked men not boys.

As to how much I know about him, I've read most of his works. I've been to his grave in Paris which is right around the corner from Jim Morrison's and you can throw a rose at and hit Edith Piaf's gravestone from the bench behind it. (I met a couple of girls from Texas in Paris and they wanted to go and kiss his grave, but they didn't speak French, so we went together. ) His epitaph from "The Ballad of Reading Gaol" was written during his exile in France following his 2 year imprisonment for sodomy in Britain. His gravestone epitaph is a partial passage from that poem about prison:

"And alien tears will fill for him
Pity's long-broken urn,
For his mourners will be outcast men,
And outcasts always mourn."

Most people don't know the lines that follow that passage.

"I know not whether Laws be right,
Or whether Laws be wrong;
All that we know who lie in gaol
Is that the wall is strong;
And that each day is like a year,
A year whose days are long.

But this I know, that every Law
That men have made for Man,
Since first Man took His brother's life,
And the sad world began,
But straws the wheat and saves the chaff
With a most evil fan."

Do I know Oscar Wilde? Yes. He and I are brothers in the Progressive fight for the Human Condition.

...and no I'm not gay.

My mind is open, and I am not prejudiced, and no, words are not the only factor to insult, but they're part of it. And yes I'm also hiding behind a fake name, but I'm throwing out other ideas than his.

your comparison is invalid. its the same "eye **** laughing at nose ****". you may find yourself better, but its the same ****.

"Eye **** laughing at Nose ****" WTF is that?

...and yes I'm also a coward about not putting my name out but for different reasons. My picture is on these forums and I have revealed a lot about myself.

筌者所以在魚，得魚而忘筌；蹄者所以在兔，得兔而忘蹄 ; 言者所以在意，得意而忘言

"A fishtrap is to catch fish; you catch a fish and you forget about the trap. A snare is to catch rabbits; you catch a rabbit and you forget about the snare. A word is to convey its meaning; you get a meaning and you forget about the word." ~ Zhuangzi
in other words, "Who the hell cares what each word actually means when you understand it? if you do, go ***** yourself, cause i dont." ~ Tonky
Zhuangzi also calls a person like you as "井底之蛙; a frog in a well that cannot conceive of the ocean".

I think of myself as one of the frogs who has seen the ocean and is describing it to the other frogs in the well. Or maybe the frog who's been outside the cave with the projection of lighted pictures.......I don't know.

Yes the world changes, but the direction of right and wrong is made, not blown. We interpret things as wrong or immoral now, because people have worked against it, and changed what society believs.

"Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Always." - Gandi.

you are trying to win the hatred for the words jorb/loftar used. that is not trying to win truth and love like Gandi. you fail.

I'm not trying to "win the hatred", but rather to change minds and hopefully convince them to change their minds about the world. If I fail, at least I'm trying.

The Salem witch trials turned against those in the community who spoke against it. Those that called the trials, religious persecution and hysteria unfair were then branded as witches. After the trials, those who sought justice for the victims changed the history of law and religion in New England, and the United States

and those who carried out the trials and persecutions were those "well-educated", regarded as "productive members of the society", like yourself, young lady?

Actually the prosecution was well educated but most of the accuser's were also poor and ignorant. Again, I'd be one of the one's fighting the forces of religious authority.

Why do you think I'm a woman? There's a very drunken, bearded, sun burnt picture of me in Colesie's post, "putting faces to names".

What kind of teacher do you like. I'll change my methodology to fit that then.

just basic things, like someone who actually comprehends english for an english teacher, of course. someone who would actually listen to students. not someone who outright ignores some issues students talk about and tell them nicely "such issues dont exist, dear?"

I'm not ignoring you, I'm discussing those issues continuously with you in an attempt to show you the correct answer.

Everything I've stated is absolutely in the real world.

It's not a fantasy if it's the world we are living in.

My window is wide open, and I would like everybody else to see the sun also, instead of hiding in their basements fearing the future.

a dreamer doesnt know she is in a dream.
your sun painted on the wallpaper does not give you real sunlight.
the sunlight shines onto all equally no matter good or bad and help them grow to let all co-exist.

“Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't going away.” - Elvis Presley

i dont see any respects coming from you, Claeyt. all i see is your shout to other salem players to think the same way as you do. and when they dont, you assume "They should feel guilty for defending Greed, Homophobia, and Discrimination".

They should feel guilty for that. If they don't, then their ideas need to be challenged as to why the rest of Society believes them to be wrong on those ideas. If they are incapable of changing their minds, then good luck to them in the tide of this changing world that they are fighting against. They will be alone and afraid of this future that's being created.

they shouldnt feel guilty because they arent defending greed, homophobia, and discrimination. you are only accusing them of doing so because they dont agree with your viewpoint. free your mind, girl.

p.s.
Misogynistic Midgets? wow, what a nice word coming from a celebrity!

and i see this is a waste of time. i dont mind you locking this thread at all, mods.

I'm not accusing them, They're words and posts speak for themselves. My mind is free. Again, not a woman.

I would like to see this thread not get locked.

[jwhitehorn]

Would anyone mind if I split this topic into two? I'll try to keep relevant posts in here.

I'm ok with this. May I suggest that the new thread be titled "Claeyt's warped perception on social dynamics"?

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

How about "Misogynistic Midgets learn nothing, have no girlfriends."

looks like we both lost. My name was better though.

Also, I can guarantee that while you may have had more females comfort you during your tears because you are such a nice person, I can assure you that the ratio of panties dropping is inversely proportionate to how equal you treat them. Good girls do in fact like bad boys.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Claeyt]

looks like we both lost. My name was better though.

Also, I can guarantee that while you may have had more females comfort you during your tears because you are such a nice person, I can assure you that the ratio of panties dropping is inversely proportionate to how equal you treat them. Good girls do in fact like bad boys.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

I liked my name.

Tears, what tears. Are you talking about the cemetery? Meh, I was 20, I mostly went to get high on Dutch hash (nice) and French Whiskey (awful) at Morrison's grave. It's an amazing place. Tons of famous people. And let me tell you, Texas girls don't mind getting drunk in a graveyard.

I don't know where you're getting that I'm a good, nice, safe guy. There are plenty of Liberal men who are "Bad Boys". I'm more of a liberal guy in the guise of Albert Camus or George Orwell. Yes most good girls do like a little bad in their boys, but both good girls and bad girls hate guys who mock them and say their place is in the kitchen.

[jwhitehorn]

both good girls and bad girls hate guys who mock them and say their place is in the kitchen.

Wrong. And its not mocking. Its acknowledging the truth. They know it to be true in their own sub conscience and instinctively respect the alpha male that reality checks their silly "movements" that any self-respecting female confident in her gender role doesn't want anything to do with anyway.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe