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Re: Wish you were here

Postby Darwoth » Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 pm

BubbaMKII wrote:
Spazzmaticus wrote:Yeah, that's the way it has to be, right? Since you know that the system is broken. You just have to make up enough evidence to support that thesis.


It's not that unlikely really.
I managed to find 90% humus and raised my crop % about 10% in the short time i played before purity was nerfed.
People who had 100% and made tree walls would have used this 100% humus because they probably wouldn't even had anything *****.
But hey, maybe you are right and you are right and you are right.
I'm sure you have evidence there aren't any 100% purity forests out there. :roll:



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Re: Wish you were here

Postby rustles » Sun May 26, 2013 9:26 pm

So, I don't mean to rush you devs, but any idea when the ground flattening tool will be finished? I have a lot of flattening to do and my progress has grinded to a halt. I figured if there was a easier/quicker way I'd might as well wait for it and do something else in the mean time.
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Re: Wish you were here

Postby Mereni » Sun May 26, 2013 9:29 pm

BubbaMKII wrote:It's not that unlikely really.
I managed to find 90% humus and raised my crop % about 10% in the short time i played before purity was nerfed.
People who had 100% and made tree walls would have used this 100% humus because they probably wouldn't even had anything *****.
But hey, maybe you are right and you are right and you are right.
I'm sure you have evidence there aren't any 100% purity forests out there. :roll:


It's completely impossible for 100% tress to exist yet. I'm not sure where you got that idea.

The purity of the tree is based on the purity of the previous tree, the humus used, the water put in the pot, and the pot itself. For as long as it has been possible to make purity trees, that has been true. Now, the pots, despite being able to be made from ingredients up to about 10% purity, go DOWN in purity when they are made and end up around 1%. The water can't go above 10%. The humus can be pretty high, in the low 90s for stuff that's been saved. I don't know if anyone ever composted 100% seeds.

So, considering most of the influence on the sapling comes from the pot and the cutting and very little from the water and the humus, no one has ever or will ever get to 100% or even close. Maybe 15%? For someone lucky enough to find a really good water node? I think nodes go up to 10%.
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Re: Wish you were here

Postby rustles » Sun May 26, 2013 9:34 pm

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You realize people planted 100% pure trees before the update, right? According to the wiki, the amount of charcoal per coal stack was based on wood purity, so it would be no surprise to me if people planted them. Back then tree purity relied entirely on humus purity.

It wouldn't be all that unlikely that people happened to have 100% pure earthworms and 100% pure trees before the update, and are now producing 100% pure humus because of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were producing 90-100% pure humus right now.


Yeah, that's the way it has to be, right? Since you know that the system is broken. You just have to make up enough evidence to support that thesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

If you don't like legacy characters, fine. I just think that making stuff up hurts your case more than it helps. Makes you seem irate and counterfactual. As already stated grinding tree purity wasn't possible until the purity change. Seems like it would have been fairly easy to ask around on IRC or in game to find that out before posting here.


http://salemwiki.info/index.php/Coal_Clamp

In other words, assume everything on the wiki is false until I see proof for my self, because if I happen to quote it on the forum and other people don't believe it to, with or without any evidence, they will link me to a theory in psychology .

I'm not saying what your saying isn't true, it's just it would be impossible for me to know for my self, since I never paid attention to purity before the nerf. That's why I reference the good old wiki.
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Re: Wish you were here

Postby Mereni » Sun May 26, 2013 9:37 pm

rustles wrote:http://salemwiki.info/index.php/Coal_Clamp

In other words, assume everything on the wiki is false until I see proof for my self, because if I happen to quote it on the forum and other people don't believe it to, with or without any evidence, they will link me to a theory in psychology .

I'm not saying what your saying isn't true, it's just it would be impossible for me to know for my self, since I never paid attention to purity before the nerf. That's why I reference the good old wiki.


It says 'may be influenced'. I haven't done any tests myself, but I wouldn't believe it until I do. Sadly, the wiki is unofficial and can be edited by anyone. The agriculture page still claims that crops taking from all bars is a bug when it's not.
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Re: Wish you were here

Postby martinuzz » Sun May 26, 2013 9:39 pm

BubbaMKII wrote:
Spazzmaticus wrote:Yeah, that's the way it has to be, right? Since you know that the system is broken. You just have to make up enough evidence to support that thesis.


It's not that unlikely really.
I managed to find 90% humus and raised my crop % about 10% in the short time i played before purity was nerfed.
People who had 100% and made tree walls would have used this 100% humus because they probably wouldn't even had anything *****.
But hey, maybe you are right and you are right and you are right.
I'm sure you have evidence there aren't any 100% purity forests out there. :roll:


Could you please keep misinformation and false rumours out of an announcement thread? We have HoB for that.
One last time: Trees never had purity, until after the above and below update.

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Re: Wish you were here

Postby Spazzmaticus » Sun May 26, 2013 9:47 pm

BubbaMKII wrote:It's not that unlikely really.
I managed to find 90% humus and raised my crop % about 10% in the short time i played before purity was nerfed.
People who had 100% and made tree walls would have used this 100% humus because they probably wouldn't even had anything *****.
But hey, maybe you are right and you are right and you are right.
I'm sure you have evidence there aren't any 100% purity forests out there. :roll:


When you are the one making outrageous statements the burden of proof lies with you. If no empirical data is presented to back up your thesis then none is required to refute it. That's a fairly fundamental part of any rational debate. Better you learn it now than later.
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Re: Wish you were here

Postby tsagt » Sun May 26, 2013 11:12 pm

Mereni wrote:
BubbaMKII wrote:It's not that unlikely really.
I managed to find 90% humus and raised my crop % about 10% in the short time i played before purity was nerfed.
People who had 100% and made tree walls would have used this 100% humus because they probably wouldn't even had anything *****.
But hey, maybe you are right and you are right and you are right.
I'm sure you have evidence there aren't any 100% purity forests out there. :roll:


It's completely impossible for 100% tress to exist yet. I'm not sure where you got that idea.

The purity of the tree is based on the purity of the previous tree, the humus used, the water put in the pot, and the pot itself. For as long as it has been possible to make purity trees, that has been true. Now, the pots, despite being able to be made from ingredients up to about 10% purity, go DOWN in purity when they are made and end up around 1%. The water can't go above 10%. The humus can be pretty high, in the low 90s for stuff that's been saved. I don't know if anyone ever composted 100% seeds.

So, considering most of the influence on the sapling comes from the pot and the cutting and very little from the water and the humus, no one has ever or will ever get to 100% or even close. Maybe 15%? For someone lucky enough to find a really good water node? I think nodes go up to 10%.
consider 10% water nodes confirmed as i found one :)
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Re: Wish you were here

Postby robert » Mon May 27, 2013 2:31 am

considering... that before the purity update that gave water purity.. saplings/trees/wood did not have any purity beyond the base 25%s... and the very fact that the highest purity you could really achive to any testable extent was 8-10%... no there are no 100% pure forests :/ least of all right now maybe there is a 10% forest but 100% i find that damn near impossible unless the devs spawned it.
given how much of a chore it is/was to get 10% potted plants with the old system before the more mondaine purity update that increases the work load required to purity grind potted plants... id be impressed if anyone even has 15-20% pure trees at this point...
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Re: Wish you were here

Postby Procne » Mon May 27, 2013 8:22 am

I wonder if the new flattening tool will allow us to remove ridges which are impossible to remove now
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