Who are tribes and who are enemies of them?

[Jalpha]

At the time of the first incident there was not yet a treaty.

At the second the tribe was determined to level the town because of the risk it posed as a trade hub, and threatened their domination of server trade.

I should write a history book. Who wants a page about them on the wiki?!?

[BubbaMKII]

Well, the only time you murdered me was before you were anything more than a noob killer. The life of crime you mention nothing more than the life of a hardened carebear struggling to survive. In fact, both places I have lived which were destroyed by you and your merry sack of potatos never did anything to anyone except live peaceful lives and trade.

And all you had to do was pay a tiny handful of silver and become a treaty member. The Treaty is as cheap as it is to give the Tribe a good way to identify criminals and rebels. Rebelling against your taxes is not a good way to show the Tribe you're not a criminal in hiding.

How anyone can justify extortion is beyond me.
You can't talk to people to identify them?
Everyone who supports and defends this treaty nonsense has severely lost the plot imho.

[Gallient]

Well, the only time you murdered me was before you were anything more than a noob killer. The life of crime you mention nothing more than the life of a hardened carebear struggling to survive. In fact, both places I have lived which were destroyed by you and your merry sack of potatos never did anything to anyone except live peaceful lives and trade.

And all you had to do was pay a tiny handful of silver and become a treaty member. The Treaty is as cheap as it is to give the Tribe a good way to identify criminals and rebels. Rebelling against your taxes is not a good way to show the Tribe you're not a criminal in hiding.

How anyone can justify extortion is beyond me.
You can't talk to people to identify them?
Everyone who supports and defends this treaty nonsense has severely lost the plot imho.

So if the Tribe found you and PM'd asking if you were Bubba you would tell them yes? Or perhaps they'd be better off in just confirming you're not a treaty payer and then they'd be correct in raiding you.

[belgear]

Well, the only time you murdered me was before you were anything more than a noob killer. The life of crime you mention nothing more than the life of a hardened carebear struggling to survive. In fact, both places I have lived which were destroyed by you and your merry sack of potatos never did anything to anyone except live peaceful lives and trade.

And all you had to do was pay a tiny handful of silver and become a treaty member. The Treaty is as cheap as it is to give the Tribe a good way to identify criminals and rebels. Rebelling against your taxes is not a good way to show the Tribe you're not a criminal in hiding.

How anyone can justify extortion is beyond me.
You can't talk to people to identify them?
Everyone who supports and defends this treaty nonsense has severely lost the plot imho.

ex·tort ik-stawrt Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
Law.
a.
to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.
b.
to take illegally by reason of one's office.

That is the definition of extort.
Which means the Tribe is NOT extorting anyone. Extortion can only occur if there is an overlaying government to determine whether it is extortion or not.
The Tribe is, in all fairness, being quite nice by giving someone the option of paying them to go away.
They raid. It is what they do. You decide if you end up on their "to be raided" or "not s'posed to" list

[Mabek]

Since you're cracking open the dictionary to win an argument perhaps you should look up the definition of "or" because it apparently doesn't mean what you think it means, champ.

[belgear]

Since you're cracking open the dictionary to win an argument perhaps you should look up the definition of "or" because it apparently doesn't mean what you think it means, champ.

the or does not matter
the first thing in bold
"Law"
that is what matters.

so bscly the point I made is here and you are -------------------------> somewhere way over that way

[dageir]

Governments in their current form are based on extortion. As Jorb said in another thread "you get to vote". That does not mean you have any power to change how the country is run. If you pay taxes, then you are suject to extortion. If you do not, you are either not old enough, have no income at all or are a tax evader. If you are the last thing, well the government will track you down and take your stuff and maybe put you in jail. Governments were formed on the basis of having a group of "strong" people with weapons that enforced their will on others. Am I against this system? No. Its just the way human society is formed and work.

[Jalpha]

Ideally it shouldn't be extortion, Citizens should see the need for public funding of essential services and infrastructure, and voluntarily elect to pay the necessary taxes. Unfortunately in the case of the tribe, there is no return on the funds invested.

[Mabek]

Taxes are not extortion and libertarians repeating it won't make it any more true, sorry to burst your bubble.

[MaoZeDong]

So if the Tribe found you and PM'd asking if you were Bubba you would tell them yes? Or perhaps they'd be better off in just confirming you're not a treaty payer and then they'd be correct in raiding you.

So, using the reasoning provided to us by this tribe brave, it's okay for anyone to always kill another player, new or not, when they refuse to pay an arbitrary existence tax imposed on them by another different player. This essentially is pay me and I let you play the game tax which wouldn't be so infuriating if it wasn't enforced in the immediate area around Boston where a large amount of new players spawn to try and learn how to play the game. Apparently, it's okay according to tribe apologists and braves to victimize new players around Boston in Plymouth because it's profitable and nobody can stop them.

Why do people defend this again? Oh wait, it's because their time investment in their bases is being held captive by a group of thirteen(?) people and these hostages either post about how lovely it is being able to play the game as much as the tribe allows or get destroyed for not doing it. Another thing, speaking any Cyrillic language is justification for immediate extermination according to the tribe, seems cool.

Before anyone comments about "protection" provided by the Tribe please do explain to me how the Tribe plans to keep their clientele's bases safe in the event that there's a raid? Are they all insomniacs that used bit-coins before they were really valuable and don't need a job anymore, maybe they're vampires? No, the fact of the matter is that a raid can happen at any time and if you're raided after logging off then no tribe members will be there to stop it. Even if you're online there's no guarantee that the tribe is actually going to arrive in time to stop the raiders before any significant damage is done.

From where I stand I see no rational reason why anyone in their right mind would praise the tribe beyond being intimidated or bribed into doing it. If you don't believe the tribe actually does all of these things, log onto Plymouth and head south of Boston to see their DMZ, you could also just check out their scalp collection thread where there are many examples of the tribe raiding and murdering new players because they weren't able to pay an exorbitant tax after a week of playing Salem.

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