MM Tribe Treaty

[kulbek]

You were not a Treaty Payer.

You are mistaken. The agreement was de-facto signed at the time of acceptance and receipt of money to your thug.

[jwhitehorn]

You are mistaken. The agreement was de-facto signed at the time of acceptance and receipt of money to your thug.

My Thug tells me that you were killed before he took payment. Therefore, the money was stolen not given.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[kulbek]

You are mistaken. The agreement was de-facto signed at the time of acceptance and receipt of money to your thug.

My Thug tells me that you were killed before he took payment. Therefore, the money was stolen not given.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

So, He deceived you.

[RuneNL]

Let me start here:

So if you do not care why do you take the time to explicitly try to establish some sort of distinction that Tribe does not make? The Tribe considers every individual just as capable as the next, and thus every non-treaty payer just as capable in participating in criminal behavior.

Assuming every new player to be a criminal by default is ridiculous, in roleplay terms I can see how this works and is a beautiful excuse to presumptively kill new pilgrims. (Still killing noobs)

You attribute new player kills as being a goal of the tribe, when the tribe only considers non-treaty payer kills as a goal

Nope, but it seems to be time well spend seen the scalp topic.
The way I see the Tribe is a roleplaying group of people that has gotten too big by destroying their competition and chasing off new players.

The treaty, I am sure, must be very "justified" and fun to the tribe, especially the Chief. Where as to an outsider that does not want to roleplay it is nothing but extortionate *****... Yeah yeah, I know, its a feature.

The tribe chooses to treat every single individual equally, and it is a disservice to simply narrow-mindedly section off one portion from another.

When proliferating as a group then one individual in said group can make it look bad. Like being a narrow-minded racist.

One for all and all for one. As an outsider I do not care if your "Running with Bears" or "Sleeping feather in bum", a "brave" is a brave. A member of the tribe.
And the only two members that have expressed strong identity is the Chief and the Paymaster.


Anyway the Tribes expectations of new players are too high and just plain silly. This is not justified in anyway but roleplay.

[Claeyt]

Good evening,
Negotiations are not taking place - just because you are still talking, does not make this a negotiation. When I rejected your demands, I did not say "you are asking for too much, perhaps we can meet somewhere in the middle" - I said "No." When you did not accept the offer of the week to get back on your feet and I rescinded it, that was the point when you should've been expecting a Brave showing up. I've got the feeling pretty much everyone reading this thread understood this except you. Your options at this point are to move somewhere else (either on Plymouth, or another server), or to expect continued assaults. Again, some less time spent forum warrioring and more time spent thinking about the actual situation you are in would've saved you some trouble.

Clearly this guy is misunderstanding the situation and also misunderstood the situation when the incident occurred. He's declared for the Revolution and is fair game I suppose.

Can a new player at least be informed that there is a treaty and what it is before getting killed? If this guy had refused to pay the treaty or refused to talk or whatever, fine, raid him, kill him, but he agreed to pay the treaty, probably with a lot of language barrier misunderstandings, then was killed anyways. That's griefing not government.

This misconception seems to keep popping up. You do not have a right to safety in Salem. The Treaty is a privilege, not a right.

Then my next question would be, can anybody who's willing to join the treaty and abide by it's rules, like this guy, ever feel safe? The Treaty does guarantee the Right to safety from other Braves if you're paid up and in compliance. You just said that in a post above.

There have been situations where Braves have given (more-or-less) polite notice instead of raiding, yes. But these are generous acts by individual Braves, and should not be misconstrued as required procedure.

This should be required if you don't want every noob who doesn't have a clue about the treaty to hate your guts on first contact with a Brave. This also leads to noob confusion if different Braves are collecting treaty payments in different ways.

I administrate the Treaty to meet the Vision of the Tribe. The Tribe does not work to meet my Vision of a Treaty. I have a very large amount of autonomy and discretion in how to conduct my tasks, yes, but let's not get confused about who works for who here.

So now I'm confused. Are you saying you work for the Tribe and have no say in how Braves raid and kill noobs, or are you saying that the Braves work for you?

As for Treaty Collector training, that assumes that is the duty of a Brave to collect for the Treaty. This is not so. The only restriction the Treaty puts on a Braves' behavior is that they shall not raid pilgrims who are already paying their Treaty.

What if the Noob has never heard of the treaty, read the forums, or doesn't know how to pay the treaty? There should definitely be some sort of noob warning protocol to allow them a chance to join the treaty. The vast majority of players never check out the forum. A Brave could simply copy and control-V the Treaty thread in the chat line and then demand a yes or no answer to the question, "Will you pay the treaty?" from the noob. If no, then they can level the base and kill the noob. If yes, then they can collect on the spot, kin, and give the money and describe the person to you at a later date. Seems simple enough. It would definitly cut down on post's like this guy's and all the noob griefing by your Braves.

As for Public Relations "killing the Treaty," I can assure you the Treaty population is doing just fine.
Faithfully,
-Paul the Paymaster

Yet the Plymouth Server still shrinks

My Thug tells me that you were killed before he took payment. Therefore, the money was stolen not given.

Khaz stated in this thread that the money was placed in a box for him after some form of Google translator garbled negotiations took place. I have no doubt the language barrier lead to many misunderstandings during these negotiations, but Khaz did state that he primarily killed him for speaking Russian in the chat line. PmP also stated that the noob was entitled to the 70s back that Khaz took, confirming that it was given. Can the noob still collect that 70s like PmP offered?

[MagicManICT]

After the post in Russian above and the Tribes former... rivalries, I now see why there's friction here. I'm thinking kulbek here should do a bit of research on a Mr. jwhitehorn's history here in Salem in terms of relations with those from certain locales. The long and the short: you're not going to win here unless you come back with friends to back you up.

[Gallient]

Stuff

You have opinions on how Tribe should act. That's great. Unfortunately you aren't Tribe and your opinions do not factor into any of the operating procedures that the Tribe lives by. It is simple for the Tribe, a non-treaty payer is a non-treaty payer. There is no desire or need to make it more complex. No matter how much you feel like the Tribe should care more, the tribe won't. There is no protected class, the Tribe does not care about your friends or your relatives or your experience. If you don't pay the treaty then you don't pay the treaty. As far as the scalp thread goes if you want to zero in on the seemingly newer players and completely ignore kills such as JC and Trojanz... of course tailoring stats will make a case for anything... For once why don't you consider the ratio of lower humor characters compared to higher humor characters. How many of these high humor anti-tribe characters are still running around plymouth with impunity? Very few. In fact I would say if you actually consider ratios, the Tribe spends a vast amount of more time hunting down people like JC. However you completely ignore this because you feel it benefits your own argument.

When you rule a server you can go ahead and set up things how you want it to be. As of now what you think has no relevance.

I would ask if you're trying to project yourself as actually being a friend of new players? If yes, then why do you not inform them of the treaty? An hour of killing crickets or a simple PM to PMP of the Chief to make arrangements could save them alot of grief. It is a very simple prospect, pay the treaty and you can carebear as much as your heart desires on plymouth.

[kulbek]

I would like to congratulate MM Tribe with the holiday. After all, today's date was born the "godfather" of Nazism Adolf Hitler. This is your day, guys.

User was warned for this post
No more nazi talk please
If you have a problem with this moderation take it to the rules thread or PM Colesie

[Gallient]

I would like to congratulate MM Tribe with the holiday. After all, today's date was born the "godfather" of Nazism Adolf Hitler. This is your day, guys.

Godwin's Law.

[kulbek]

I would like to congratulate MM Tribe with the holiday. After all, today's date was born the "godfather" of Nazism Adolf Hitler. This is your day, guys.

Godwin's Law.