Pre-Announcement: Upcoming Changes to Market Stands

[colesie]

Just replace the stalls with an auction house already.

[FutureForJames]

It will no longer be possible for the stand owner to withdraw items from the stand at no cost.

To avoid people storing valuable good at "very high prices", I suggest the withdraw price to be 10% of the price set 24 hours prior to withdraw. It should definitely not be a static price that is independent of the set price. The 24 hours window is there to prevent people from taking 1 second to change the price to 50% of the original price and then withdrawing; this way the withdraw needs to be planned.

I would agree to something like this, because there could be a problem - For example I want to sell some top purity pies, but since no one ever sells them I do not know the price. And I set 10 pies for 500s each and no one buy's them and no one buy them for 250s also. What then? Should I buy them myself because I was wrong with pricing?

There should be a possibility to withdraw or to set any price I would think of else it would be difficult to sell rare items such as hats/masks/high purity stuff.

Didn't think of that you could buy stuff from yourself. So I suppose the withdraw tax needs to be the same as the selling tax. I suppose one could increase the selling tax to get higher withdraw tax.

[Procne]

actually with these changes (1k a week in addition to tax primarily) and the current server populations even plymouth does not have enough trade happening to support all of the stalls as is, adding more would just make it so nobody could afford to pay for their stall via their stall.

We shall see. We can start to worry when suddenly half of the stalls are empty. As for enough trade happening - maybe it is so because current stall owners like to keep stuff overpriced? And because they don't actually try to sell stuff?

And would you stop talking about the tax as a cost? I remember people without stall selling iron at 50s / bar in Boston, then stall owners buying those bars and reselling for 120s. Because of the tax they were only getting slightly more than 100s, poor stall owners. Stalls are so powerful that they let you sell stuff for 2x more and with less effort. This 15% is really meaningless.

[Procne]

The rent is already drawn from the stall's account if you don't pay it explicitly.

I think he meant the idea where money "paid" to 15% tax go towards lowering rent cost. Like, we will have 1000s weekly upkeep, and if someone sells stuff for 5000s during one week, from which 750s goes to the tax, the rent cost would be reduced to 250s for this week.

Just another incentive for people to try to sell more.

[Odekva]

The rent is already drawn from the stall's account if you don't pay it explicitly.

I think he meant the idea where money "paid" to 15% tax go towards lowering rent cost. Like, we will have 1000s weekly upkeep, and if someone sells stuff for 5000s during one week, from which 750s goes to the tax, the rent cost would be reduced to 250s for this week.

Just another incentive for people to try to sell more.

Good one actually

[xentrenous]

This is a really good move. Maybe eventually something could be implemented to prevent the same person form occupying a stall for x weeks in a row? I know people have probably suggested that endlessly, but yeah.

[Mereni]

This is a really good move. Maybe eventually something could be implemented to prevent the same person form occupying a stall for x weeks in a row? I know people have probably suggested that endlessly, but yeah.

It seems like these changes will prevent the same barely active people from occupying the stall for weeks on end, but people who own popular stalls that move a lot of goods will keep their stalls for as long as they want, and that's a good thing.

[MagicManICT]

This is a really good move. Maybe eventually something could be implemented to prevent the same person form occupying a stall for x weeks in a row? I know people have probably suggested that endlessly, but yeah.

I really don't think this is the issue unless the devs intention is to have stalls as a scarce resource for only the most dedicated traders. I don't think that's true, but I could be wrong.

[darnokpl]

The rent is already drawn from the stall's account if you don't pay it explicitly.

I think he meant the idea where money "paid" to 15% tax go towards lowering rent cost. Like, we will have 1000s weekly upkeep, and if someone sells stuff for 5000s during one week, from which 750s goes to the tax, the rent cost would be reduced to 250s for this week.

Just another incentive for people to try to sell more.

Yes, that would be nice.

[dreadlus]

Good since it will force stalls into being used for what they are - stalls. Hopefully we'll see more trading done through them.

Still, I think something else is needed regarding stalls. Since they are increadibly convenient and reliable when it comes to trading, giving only a select few the chance to sell items that way is stopping the economy from growing further, while allowing for the same select few to get richer than non-stall traders (if they use stalls to their full potential). Furthermore, while it may not be so imbalanced now (20 stall owners vs 100 active players) it most certainly will be when the game is released and the population grows (I'm assuming old HnH numbers - 20 vs 1000)

That's why I suggested in another thread that stalls should work on a rent-a-slot basis: instead of renting the whole stall, you could get a limited number of slots to sell your stuff in (paying a rent for each slot). Combine that with more available stalls and you'll be allowing alot more people to sell goods securely in capital towns. The easier way would be to add an Auction House for everyone to use (with a cost), but I praise jorbtar for wanting to move away from other mmo's and try their own more criative solutions.

Even if it's not done this way, this is a very delicate subject thats requires more thought from the developers and something must be done about it. Denying players the possibility to sell their items in towns without having to spam the area chat for hours will turn alot of players off from trading, which in turn seriously harms the game's economy. And a game with a bad economy is not only a bad game, but a game digging it's own grave.