The Trump / Russia Controversy

[Dallane]

I'm honestly perplexed why so many liberals like yourself hate him so much when he is very much a big government guy who is only playing at being a Republican.

BECAUE HE IS A RACIST NAZI

[Bleuwulf]

I'm honestly perplexed why so many liberals like yourself hate him so much when he is very much a big government guy who is only playing at being a Republican.

BECAUE HE IS A RACIST NAZI

[Claeyt]

It's funny how everyone including their grandmother is bashing infowars but currently it is the only reliable news source that actually bring facts and evidence to the table.

Only idiots believe infowars is news. Infowars and Breitbart have both been caught up in the very same FBI counter-intelligence investigation as Trump's campaign for possibly actively working with Russian Media Propaganda to push stories. There are reports from the investigation of both of them either hiring or working with Russian bot companies to promote their sites on social media. It's not in this article but previous reports about the investigation report that Bannon himself had sent encrypted messages to people at RT when he was at Breitbart and before he joined the Trump campaign.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41826.html

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/f ... art-russia

You're delusional if you think the FBI/CIA/NSA counterintelligence investigation will be over by next March.

I personally believe all of this is going to cost the Republicans the House (and maybe the Senate, but that's harder in 2018 due to so many Dem seats up) and at that point the Dem's will open up a well earned Tsunami on Trump.

I never said when I thought the investigation would be over. One hopes they'll be quick and efficient about it, but it could very well drag on for years. By which time it will have become a joke.

It's actually quite possible that the Republicans will lose the House and Senate, but it won't be because of these hearings. It will be because of not fulfilling their election promises. Trump and many of the Republicans in Congress ran on a platform of getting rid of Obamacare. If they end up not doing that (and it seems iffy to me that they will) they will lose all those swing voters, Congress will become majority Democrat again, and Trump will be free to be as liberal as he likes, which is pretty liberal. I'm honestly perplexed why so many liberals like yourself hate him so much when he is very much a big government guy who is only playing at being a Republican.

Why are Trump supporters all of a sudden backing away from him and calling him :Big Government". He just promoted the most paleo-archaic radically right budget EVER. It cuts massively at basic programs such as Meals-on-Wheels and Federal Early Education Grants and shifted the money to military spending and tax cuts for the wealthy. How is this big government?

His health care plan literally takes money from the working poor who don't qualify for medicaid and older Americans who haven't reached the age requirement for medicare and gives it to the wealthy in a massive tax cut. How is this liberal or big government?

I oppose him first and foremost for his authoritarian neo-fascist statements and sentiments. I oppose him second because of his racism, nationalistic xenophobia and hints of violence towards immigrants. I oppose him third because of his right-wing draconian legislation that has so far shown his utter disdain for working Americans and is ass-backwards when it comes to where the other successful nations of the modern world have gone when it comes to healthcare, taxes, work and retirement for their citizens. We are falling behind countries like Germany, Japan and all of Western Europe faster and faster and it's because of the Republican party.

The reason the Republicans will lose isn't because of their lies to their base although I'm sure that will be part of it. They'll lose because they've proven in 2 short months that they are incapable of actually governing. They've succumbed to their most violent, racist, anti-government base of support and the representatives that reflect those voters and have been sent to congress are incapable of performing the job of actually governing. The last moderates of the Republican party realize this and are creating laws to try and deal with this fact. That's why the laws are such Frankensteinesque monstrosities and look so bad for America.

[Dallane]

It's funny how everyone including their grandmother is bashing infowars but currently it is the only reliable news source that actually bring facts and evidence to the table.

Only idiots believe infowars is news. Infowars and Breitbart have both been caught up in the very same FBI counter-intelligence investigation as Trump's campaign for possibly actively working with Russian Media Propaganda to push stories. There are reports from the investigation of both of them either hiring or working with Russian bot companies to promote their sites on social media. It's not in this article but previous reports about the investigation report that Bannon himself had sent encrypted messages to people at RT when he was at Breitbart and before he joined the Trump campaign.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/f ... art-russia

lol ***** look how clay eats this **** up. Next he is going to claim that https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ is also ran by bots.

Retards like him are going to be exactly why trump wins again and Republicans continue to win seats in congress. Then again what do I know since according to him I'm a russian agent

[Claeyt]

Manafort just lawyered up.

He hired a litigation defense team and crisis publicist today.

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/ ... unications

More info on the Kyrgyz connection of the 'Black Ledger' confirmation release:

http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/paul-man ... onnection/

[Dallane]

While clay is jerking his caged up pud over russia we are planning to go to mars. The regressive left at it's finest

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... an-on-mars

[TotalyMeow]

Why are Trump supporters all of a sudden backing away from him and calling him :Big Government". He just promoted the most paleo-archaic radically right budget EVER. It cuts massively at basic programs such as Meals-on-Wheels and Federal Early Education Grants and shifted the money to military spending and tax cuts for the wealthy. How is this big government?

His health care plan literally takes money from the working poor who don't qualify for medicaid and older Americans who haven't reached the age requirement for medicare and gives it to the wealthy in a massive tax cut. How is this liberal or big government?

Well, I suspect you're only just now noticing that a lot of people, including me, have been saying this all along. I've been saying Trump is much more liberal than I would like him to be and isn't really Republican at all since shortly after he was nominated. Just look at the crap he's trying to pass to replace Obamacare. It's not much better and this is a terrible thing. This is our once chance to get rid of Government healthcare before it becomes too entrenched. This is the main failing of the Republican Party right now, not getting rid of that socialist monstrosity as soon as possible. Obamacare hasn't actually improved anyone's health and in fact has lead to behaviors that have caused our national longevity to do DOWN in the last several years.

As for his budget, if you think he's cut funding to meals on wheels, you've been reading the headlines and not the facts buried in paragraph 14 of the article again. The program you're referring to provides about 1/10th of 1% of the total funding for Meals on Wheels, the rest is pork going to 'community improvements' in and around Washington DC and almost all of which is a huge waste of money. Your other assertions are similarly ill informed.

the representatives ... are incapable of performing the job of actually governing. The last moderates of the Republican party realize this and are creating laws to try and deal with this fact. That's why the laws are such Frankensteinesque monstrosities and look so bad for America.

We somewhat agree here, but for much different reasons. This is what is worst about our legislature right now. They're acting like cowards, afraid of the press, terrified into inaction and not doing their jobs. They need to suck it up and get moving. The ones taking the pansy road of trying to cater to liberals and creating the "Frankensteinesque monstrosities" you refer to are idiots and they won't be reelected if they keep up what they are doing.

[jesi]

Totally Meow wrote "This is our once chance to get rid of Government healthcare before it becomes too entrenched."

Oh, are they now proposing to get rid of Medicare, Tricare and the VA health system in addition to Obamacare and Medicaid?

[Claeyt]

Well, I suspect you're only just now noticing that a lot of people, including me, have been saying this all along. I've been saying Trump is much more liberal than I would like him to be and isn't really Republican at all since shortly after he was nominated.

Let the Trump bashing from the right begin. I'm all for you now saying he's a mistake, even if you are just trying to distance yourself from having idiotically voted for trump in the primaries and in the general. Thank you for bashing him Tmeow. It helps us get rid of him and neuter his presidency that much faster.

Just look at the crap he's trying to pass to replace Obamacare. It's not much better and this is a terrible thing. This is our once chance to get rid of Government healthcare before it becomes too entrenched. This is the main failing of the Republican Party right now, not getting rid of that socialist monstrosity as soon as possible. Obamacare hasn't actually improved anyone's health and in fact has lead to behaviors that have caused our national longevity to do DOWN in the last several years.

First off, why do you think government healthcare is bad? The Canadians now pay 40% of what we do on healthcare (including drugs) and now live a year longer and have better outcomes in every category. Every modern successful economy in the world now has universal health care and socialized cost controls or socialized single payer. Japan, Germany, Western Europe, South Korea, Australia; all of them pay less and get better access and overall health care than we do with no medical bankruptcies. Our health care is the worst for the average citizen and it's all because of the Republicans.

The funniest thing is that there is no turning back now. There is NO way for the Republicans to gut Obamacare without throwing upwards of 20 million Americans off healthcare. This means that the only solution now is single payer, just like every other modern democracy in the world has.

As for Obamacare not helping anyone have better healthcare that's just a lie. In the 5 years that Obamacare has been active the overall rate of growth in the cost of healthcare has slowed. More people have access to healthcare than at anytime in our nations history. Basic research on the outcomes of Obamacare is just starting to come out but it's already showing healthier babies at birth and less medical bankruptcies.

Here's an article on a study on how the Hospital recidivism incentive programs have decreased multiple hospital visits and death rates for former patients:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik ... olumn.html

As for his budget, if you think he's cut funding to meals on wheels, you've been reading the headlines and not the facts buried in paragraph 14 of the article again. The program you're referring to provides about 1/10th of 1% of the total funding for Meals on Wheels, the rest is pork going to 'community improvements' in and around Washington DC and almost all of which is a huge waste of money. Your other assertions are similarly ill informed.

This is also a lie. Yes, we're talking about bulk grants in his budget and the HHS budget but we can still see the cuts. Meals on Wheels IS organized and funded at the local level but it receives upwards of 15% of it's funding from the 3 billion a year in federal grants to domestic local poverty reduction programs which Trump is eliminating in it's entirety. It also receives funding from the HHS (Health and Human Services) program to help fight elderly poverty. This amounts to a 227 million dollar block of funding distributed to local programs through more grants. Not all of this is going to be cut but trump is proposing a massive 16% cut to the HHS budget. The largest in it's history.

Each individual local Meals on Wheels is funded differently but overall the pool of block grants they all count on is being cut between 15-18% in the trump budget.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... 99308928/#

We somewhat agree here, but for much different reasons. This is what is worst about our legislature right now. They're acting like cowards, afraid of the press, terrified into inaction and not doing their jobs. They need to suck it up and get moving. The ones taking the pansy road of trying to cater to liberals and creating the "Frankensteinesque monstrosities" you refer to are idiots and they won't be reelected if they keep up what they are doing.

...and this is why you are an idiot. They CAN'T just eliminate Obamacare. That would throw 25 million people off healthcare next Jan. 1st, mostly affecting the working poor and the elderly, while providing a massive tax cut for the wealthiest Americans. They CAN'T just pass trump's budget. That would eliminate billions of dollars going to the elderly and rural Americans along with massive cuts to the most effective anti-poverty programs the country has. This would hurt millions of people in poverty or on the brink of poverty. We are not a rich nation compared to Europe or Japan. We just have richer billionaires who massively skew the average.

Even stuff like Public Broadcasting can't be cut because while Urban Public Broadcasting stations get most of their funding from donors and only 15% of their budget from the government, rural Public Broadcasting stations get well over 50% of their budget from the federal government. This would end Public Broadcasting in conservative rural areas which provides much needed local programming that the rural Republican reps know their conservative voters want.

The moderate Republicans (especially in the Senate) won't allow this budget to see the light of day and they sure as hell won't allow the healthcare plan to cut that much.

The Republicans have been lying to you all along. They voted 60+ times to just up and eliminate Obamacare because they knew Obama wouldn't sign it. The reason they don't do that now is because they knew all along it would gut rural healthcare in their districts. They lied to you and lied to their voters about actually making cuts or wanting to make drastic cuts and they've been doing it for generations now.

They could fix Social Security and Medicare right now by taking off the income caps, but they won't because they'll call it a tax increase.

They could fix healthcare in this country forever if they increased medicare taxes so as to give us all Universal Healthcare like Canada. That would lower our overall healthcare costs by 50% and save us trillions of dollars over the next decade in overall costs when you compare the costs of private to public options but they won't because they don't want to increase the size of government.

They could fix Obamacare tomorrow (The CBO is saying it's stabilizing anyways within a few years) with more funding for more rural options in the states that only have one plan on their exchange and also accepting the medicaid expansion in all states but they won't, because it's "Obamacare".

They could do all of these things but instead they think like you and continue to place us farther and farther behind the rest of the modern western economies until we slowly become impoverished as a nation to the point of irrelevance.

What we're feeling before and during this presidency is the slow decline of our civilization due to conservative ideals such as lower taxes on the rich and smaller government being placed above the good of the nation.

[TotalyMeow]

Let the Trump bashing from the right begin. I'm all for you now saying he's a mistake, even if you are just trying to distance yourself from having idiotically voted for trump in the primaries and in the general. Thank you for bashing him Tmeow. It helps us get rid of him and neuter his presidency that much faster.

Um... no. I'm not bashing Trump. As I have been from the start, I am cautiously optimistic that he will be a decent president. So far, most of his policies have been okay, and some of the things he has done have been better than I could have hoped. For example, he made a fine pick of a Supreme Court Justice and some of his advisors, who he seems to listen to, are top notch. I don't consider my voting for him for the presidency (I didn't vote him in the primary) to be a mistake, we are still far better off with him than we would have been with Hillary. I just think he and the Republican members of Congress are making a big mistake in how they are dealing with removing Obamacare. I can support someone while still disapproving of some of the things they do, something you seem to have a hard time with.

They CAN'T just eliminate Obamacare. That would throw 25 million people off healthcare next Jan. 1st, mostly affecting the working poor and the elderly

Except that it won't. Do some research, this is what I was referring to when I said that our longevity has decreased in the last few years. Most of the people who would leave Obamacare were forced into it against their wills and will simply voluntarily leave and go back to what they had before. We do not have a healthcare problem in the US. Everyone who truly needs healthcare gets it. The government forcing people to buy a product they don't want didn't change anything for the better for those people. In those few occasional cases where individuals were benefiting from Obamacare and will have a tough struggle without it, we do have other programs to help them. Even crowdfunding is a viable option for an individual with a major medical problem as we are a very generous and charitable nation.