The second debate

[gorniksam]

Why darwat is not ***** here yet?

[TotalyMeow]

No one posted about the first debate because it was mostly just kinda dumb. There was nothing there to talk about. This one wasn't a whole lot better, really. I agree, this campaign has been all about who can insult who better, it's very disappointing.

I'm not sure Sanders would have been all that better of a candidate than Hillary, he's very socialist. He wanted things like 'free' college education. Nothing is free; someone has to pay. I'd rather keep my money and pay for my own things.

Any one of several of the republican candidates would have been better than Trump. I knew from the start that he would be the one that won the primaries as he was just too good at promoting himself, but I had actually hoped for Ben Carson.

[Forungi]

No one posted about the first debate because it was mostly just kinda dumb. There was nothing there to talk about. This one wasn't a whole lot better, really. I agree, this campaign has been all about who can insult who better, it's very disappointing.

It's because the election is rigged and it doesn't matter who you vote for, so they might aswell put on a show.

[saltmummy]

Any one of several of the republican candidates would have been better than Trump. I knew from the start that he would be the one that won the primaries as he was just too good at promoting himself, but I had actually hoped for Ben Carson.

It was inevitable that he and clinton would be the ones to make it this far. Until this election, I'd never heard of most of the people who they were going against and I highly doubt the average american would know off hand who they were before this election either. Trump and Clinton have name recognition. Most people would just look at the list of names, see Bernie Sanders or Ted Cruz and think "I don't know who these people are. Who else is on the list? Trump and Clinton? I know who they are, I vote for them!" and after that it just devolves into a popularity contest.

[cyko]

I'm not sure Sanders would have been all that better of a candidate than Hillary, he's very socialist. He wanted things like 'free' college education. Nothing is free; someone has to pay. I'd rather keep my money and pay for my own things.

I don't know what "socialist" means in the USA. In Europe we have experience with real socialism, overall not good experiences of course. Sanders calls himself a "social democrat".
I think he is not even that, comparing with the concepts of social democracy.
He is a Roosevelt-Democrat, a New-Deal-Democrat, which is deeply an us-american concept. And Roosevelts New Deal wasn't so bad at all, as we all know.

Nothing is free, that's right. But don't forget that you live in an economic system which already distributes money itself. It can't be so bad to think about more democratic ways of distribution of capital - be aware, we talk about concerns, banks and so on, not the money of the common people. Afair the us-american constitution begins with "We the people...".. not "We.. the rich.. and the people...".
But that is just my opinion.

Sweden has more "surprise sex" than most 3rd world countries now

That's not true. Not in Sweden, not in UK, not in Greece, not in Germany.
True is, that some people here are afraid of the future, a future with many people who simply look different, have different culture and so on. And true is also, that nationalistic parties rise in nearly every country here and that there is also an overheated debate about all those traditional fears about "foreign men who rob our women" and so on.
This debate runs via facebook or other social media and in the great majority, those cases are fake, free of facts. But this seems not to be interesting for those people.
All this new hatred, biologism, even racism in Europe is completely independent of facts and that's the point which scares me.
In my country it has already begun to expand to hatred for intellectuals or simply people with other opinions...

[TotalyMeow]

I don't know what "socialist" means in the USA. In Europe we have experience with real socialism, overall not good experiences of course. Sanders calls himself a "social democrat".

It means moving towards a system where we keep trying to redistribute the wealth of the people/corporations of this country by taxation and welfare programs and other programs meant to take money from those who have it and give it to people who haven't done anything to earn it.

[Amnezia88]

And true is also, that nationalistic parties rise in nearly every country here

That is indeed a nice thing to see, glad that Europe is coming to it's senses. It's time to balance things out a bit

And the US is changing too, hooray

[Lazun123]

I don't know what "socialist" means in the USA. In Europe we have experience with real socialism, overall not good experiences of course. Sanders calls himself a "social democrat".

It means moving towards a system where we keep trying to redistribute the wealth of the people/corporations of this country by taxation and welfare programs and other programs meant to take money from those who have it and give it to people who haven't done anything to earn it.

I have a question, if Hilary starts a war with Russia, do you think JC would ban all the Russians from Salem lol?

[TotalyMeow]

I have a question, if Hilary starts a war with Russia, do you think JC would ban all the Russians from Salem lol?

No.

[cyko]

It means moving towards a system where we keep trying to redistribute the wealth of the people/corporations of this country by taxation and welfare programs and other programs meant to take money from those who have it and give it to people who haven't done anything to earn it.

Transferring money to people who didn't earn it is a normal situation in a capitalistic system. We don't even have to talk about inheritances or so. Just think about the capital accumulation effect of the worlds most dominant economic system. That's the half of the coin which is fact already. Welfare/taxation and so on are in this system always tools for a redistribution of capital.
And we even didn't talked about the problem that an overly productive world creates more and more wealth with less and less payed work.
However, this maybe interesting to discuss in another thread, another day.

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Thanks for being such a nice example.