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Re: Barrel

Postby Flink » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:55 am

you forgot D. Stop being a whiny *****
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Re: Barrel

Postby Taipion » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:34 am

MaxPlanck wrote:
You should probably either

A. Stop planting flowers until you sell/use your current stock.

B. Get a stall to sell the flowers in.

C. Make more space to hold all of those flowers you really don't need in the first place.


Great "pro tip" really, now, tell me how to do this with dehydrated roses, which I only ever tend to sell like once every 3 months or so, which is a thing in itself too strange to make me think about it.
It always goes like that, 3 months or so nothing, and then on the course of one or two days there are 3+ people asking me for those, whereas the first one already buys all of them (a few hundred).

When I get a big order for flowers, I tend to leave them in the pots until I sell them, but if the customer does not show up on time, that is a problem.


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Taipion wrote: if using an alt is less work and yields a better effect, what good is it then?


Exactly. Stop being so spoiled. :/

alt isnt good for all flower :]


Oh hey, there is a new thing that allows me to do the same thing that I already do, except its worse, yea, let's do it that new way from now on!
Seriously, you might not be like me (= liking efficiency), but you can't be that dumb.

I really love how people try to "harvest tears" here by trying to insult others, telling them how "whiny" those "new" players are and how not hardcore (like themselfs), maybe you want to go ask darwoth how to insult people first,
or try not to cry yourself while doing this, because it really looks whimsical. :lol:
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Re: Barrel

Postby Nsuidara » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:21 am

MaxPlanck wrote:[

You should probably either

A. Stop planting flowers until you sell/use your current stock.

B. Get a stall to sell the flowers in.

C. Make more space to hold all of those flowers you really don't need in the first place.

sorry this TIP is for new player.... i old player ... >_>
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Re: Barrel

Postby MaxPlanck » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:06 am

Nsuidara wrote:
MaxPlanck wrote:[

You should probably either

A. Stop planting flowers until you sell/use your current stock.

B. Get a stall to sell the flowers in.

C. Make more space to hold all of those flowers you really don't need in the first place.

sorry this TIP is for new player.... i old player ... >_>


How are these tips for new players? These tips are for all players who are trying to hoard things out of their control.
No one ever complained about space management back then even when you couldn't crazy expand a mine but now that you can somehow I see people complaining all over the forums to "Put it in a stockbin!" (Or as I like to say now, "PUT IT IN A COFFIN" meme that once was spread around)

Here is a picture of some chests lined up, both rows add up to 900 total space which equals an alts worth of space pretty much. Even without stockbins you can store 900 flowers in such a small space already.

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Re: Barrel

Postby Nsuidara » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:14 am

MaxPlanck wrote:
Nsuidara wrote:
MaxPlanck wrote:[

You should probably either

A. Stop planting flowers until you sell/use your current stock.

B. Get a stall to sell the flowers in.

C. Make more space to hold all of those flowers you really don't need in the first place.

sorry this TIP is for new player.... i old player ... >_>


How are these tips for new players? These tips are for all players who are trying to hoard things out of their control.
No one ever complained about space management back then even when you couldn't crazy expand a mine but now that you can somehow I see people complaining all over the forums to "Put it in a stockbin!" (Or as I like to say now, "PUT IT IN A COFFIN" meme that once was spread around)

Here is a picture of some chests lined up, both rows add up to 900 total space which equals an alts worth of space pretty much. Even without stockbins you can store 900 flowers in such a small space already.

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because the old players are people playing for over a year, I play (with breaks) from the beta and that old players are familiar with and know how to play or store items

because i said this tip can be for new player not old player when know how to play...

and sheds is better :P
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Re: Barrel

Postby MaxPlanck » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:31 am

Sheds in that same spot would only get about 250 more space and is much more material extensive.(Yes I thought beforehand when building chests vs. sheds/Also I could build the chests even closer with the hitbox of a chest but then it becomes difficult to see what chest i'm entering and even harder to get in a chest in the first place)

You do know that I'm a pretty old player to the game aswell but being old to the game doesn't make us both automatically good at it.
People can always learn new things so don't say you know every little trick in the book just because you played a long time.

So really, stop trying to counter my logic and suggestions with the "I'm an older person so I don't need to bother considering if you have a better idea or not" elder persona or whatever you have going on.
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Re: Barrel

Postby TotalyMeow » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:29 am

Originally, you had a max inventory of 24 with a backpack and that was it. Then pockets got added and it didn't change things too much, neither did the slightly larger backpacks. Chests and such had the same storage they have now. The ability to store things was comparatively small and so hoarders were required to just build big banks of sheds and live with their choices. People only complained a little bit now and then that they wanted things like wardrobes. We added wardrobes.

Later, we changed the whole inventory system and gave you 1024 max storage on a character and people immediately started complaining that boxes and things now don't hold enough stuff. We removed the ability to store stone in windmills and boards in fence posts for immersion sake (stone and wood only, mind you, and the wood wasn't actually very efficient, just cheap) but we added storage bins and gave you the ability to add more than just stone and wood to them. But it's a case of 'Give a mouse a cookie and he'll eat your whole arm', the more you get, the more you want now that you have the idea that you can just hoard massive amounts of things.

If you're a big trader and you are storing dehydrated roses for sale, even 320 is only 4 sheds worth. 4 sheds is not a lot to build, takes up 8 spaces of you do it right. I'd expect a trader who likes to keep a lot of goods on hand for mass sales to have several dozen sheds; it's the price you pay for being a big volume trader.
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Re: Barrel

Postby Flink » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:12 am

TotalyMeow wrote:Originally, you had a max inventory of 24 with a backpack and that was it. Then pockets got added and it didn't change things too much, neither did the slightly larger backpacks. Chests and such had the same storage they have now. The ability to store things was comparatively small and so hoarders were required to just build big banks of sheds and live with their choices. People only complained a little bit now and then that they wanted things like wardrobes. We added wardrobes.

Later, we changed the whole inventory system and gave you 1024 max storage on a character and people immediately started complaining that boxes and things now don't hold enough stuff. We removed the ability to store stone in windmills and boards in fence posts for immersion sake (stone and wood only, mind you, and the wood wasn't actually very efficient, just cheap) but we added storage bins and gave you the ability to add more than just stone and wood to them. But it's a case of 'Give a mouse a cookie and he'll eat your whole arm', the more you get, the more you want now that you have the idea that you can just hoard massive amounts of things.

If you're a big trader and you are storing dehydrated roses for sale, even 320 is only 4 sheds worth. 4 sheds is not a lot to build, takes up 8 spaces of you do it right. I'd expect a trader who likes to keep a lot of goods on hand for mass sales to have several dozen sheds; it's the price you pay for being a big volume trader.


which basically goes back to my pro tip D. Stop being a whiny *****
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Re: Barrel

Postby Nsuidara » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:29 am

so thinking, boxes, etc. should be changed - each box / container should have its capacity in kilograms eg. 15kg box and you put so much if it allows capacity
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Re: Barrel

Postby thedarklore » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:40 pm

Nsuidara wrote:so thinking, boxes, etc. should be changed - each box / container should have its capacity in kilograms eg. 15kg box and you put so much if it allows capacity

Then let me store 15kg of air in box will it be possible? Nope because there is also something called density and volume. If we'll assume that air is 100% oxygen (there is 468,75 mole in 15kg) next if I'll assume that there is (pressure) p = 1013 hPa and (temperature) T = 273,15 K , 15kg worth of air should take roughtly (83,14*468,75*273,15)/1013 = 10508 dm^3 = 10,508 m^3 so... 15kg of air will take alot of space and I don't think there is any container that big to store it... Ofcourse we are not able to store air as item but I think there are items with very small density so let's not make storages able to hold kg of items idea of holding volume is better but will take crapload of coding.
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Don't try to apply this math for liquid or solid objects THIS IS (Ideal) GAS ONLY!
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