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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby darnokpl » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:20 am

TotalyMoo wrote:
We have a few potential problems with this, though they can be solved by considering me a benevolent dictator. Mods get access to a bunch of more sensitive information, mod forums and super-secret-omg-devforums. They are hidden for a reason so an elected moderator would need to be someone with a decent sense of integrity. Can of course be solved by having me be the final judge after the elections (as MM said, all mods have to be approved by PDX).


Ok, Devs trust people they know for years so called "elite".
Well I guess I can understand that they don't want to their secrets about game go on public and that is good.

TotalyMoo wrote:
Actually, wouldn't it be a better idea to simply have a community representative like they do in EVE with the CSM -- but for forum matters?


I hope I am not only one that doesn't know their solution, anyone can write more info about it please?
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby TeckXKnight » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:04 am

sabinati wrote:This post was sponsored by Sabinati for Mod 2012. Permabans we can believe in.

You've already won my vote.

In all seriousness though, games like Travian, Tribal Wars, Dungeon Overlord, or any number of the copy and paste examples struggle for adequate moderation. A complaint can sit in queue for weeks on games such as Tribal Wars. Having a near immediate response time to issues and having other level heads to keep us in check is a good thing and I'm not sure why we're entertaining the idea that it's hurting the userbase.

This issue started as a matter of transparency and that's fine. Weeding out moderators who are less popular is not a solution to this.
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby Gacrux » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:53 am

TeckXKnight wrote:This issue started as a matter of transparency and that's fine. Weeding out moderators who are less popular is not a solution to this.


I agree with this because you'd run the chance of having it a popularity vote and the Favoritism that people now complain about would become an actuality and the chance of information leaking would also be an issue.

But, still the idea of being a mod sounds fun! Crux 2012 :D
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:40 pm

let me say something you all should be aware but some dont seem to be aware of.
everyone starts as a new forumer and mods are mostly nice and friendly, and neutral as you start out.
one builds up his/her own reputation on the forums and some may be loved some may not be loved.
it all depends on how you have been acting on the forums and chats.
you wanna be their pet or work for them voluntarily for whatever reason? then be nice and behave cause you need to earn trust first.
being jealous or hating on those who won their status is just ridiculous and i see why those whiners never get chosen and how they have to whine that it looks unfair.

btw, dunno about paradox, but devs hate "democracy", so mod elections would not happen unless paradox insists, just like petitions would never work for seatribe games.


Mrfidler wrote:I was thinking. That to solve this problem one of the mods makes a sticky topic listing all the current suggestions? I mean it would require a little bit of time but if one wanted to do this. (perhaps even having a user do it then after approval sticky that one.)

you dont have to be a mod or an "elite" to do that. ive done one with bug and tech help list and it got stickied pretty fast in pre-com beta at paradoxplaza. do it yourself if thats what you want. if you dont want to do it, then dont ask volunteer mods to do it.


jwhitehorn wrote:This ban in effect changed this characters perception of a situation, caused him to no pay the Tribe silver, caused him to not be killed again. Perhaps in the future now he will assume that if somebody scamming him isn't immediate banned its not a scam? Or perhaps the Tribe could have used that silver to better the lives of other players via free silver give-aways in boston..... Butterfly effect at its best here and something I think we should all be mindful of. Moderation SHOULD NOT have ripples on in-game events or in-game politics unless absolutely necessary.

forums, at least Trade one and HoB, are part of the game. forums and irc chats effect the game world both directly and indirectly. that is an unchangeable facts for this "political" game. you cannot change that, unless maybe you stop posting at all.
if your actions on the forums let you suffer for not being able to post, that is your own fault. (you even tried to evade ban. you should have been banned again too when greg was banned. its not only his fault but also yours.)

raiding or ranging are also parts of the game. but they are build-in mechanics so that such action itself can be criticized but not be moderated. however, if you are using the forums in a particular way for deception, like this time to a new player who do not understand much, mods should be able to moderate and give you warnings for such lame trolling and sometimes they should be able to ban you if you dont stop after you are warned. especially if it was to new-ish players who dont understand the forums much yet, it was treated more like a "help" thread where such trolling should be disapproved.
also, scamming has become a part of the game, but it is not dev's nor paradox's intentions imo, and i think they and their volunteer force shall try their best not to let that happen when they can. (which has a lot to do with sock-pupetting.) that, of course does not mean that they can always prevent scamming from happening. still, when they find a particular thread scamming, they should lock it.
you were not banned for scamming (although id love that to happen too), but for your lame trolling attempts to a new player, taking an advantage of the situation. unforgivable to me.

finally, dont go crooked nor try to find ways-around and blame others, use your common sense instead of your attention-seeking vice, then most things happening are suddenly crystal clear and you can find moderations here look just fine.

p.s. Dallane is still enjoying his ban (longer than yours) in case you didnt know.
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby darnokpl » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:55 pm

Tonkyhonk wrote:let me say something you all should be aware but some dont seem to be aware of.
everyone starts as a new forumer and mods are mostly nice and friendly, and neutral as you start out.


I think you are not aware of what you are saying :lol: unless you are really close to them.
Only way to be neutral is to not write posts, but if you do post anything you are enemy of those with greater knowledge.
Few examples...

Greetings to newbies

staxjax wrote:Wow, I have a feeling you aren't going to last very long around here.


staxjax wrote:Well, these aren't really ideas...just complaints as far as I'm concerned. And, every one of them I've read on another thread somewhere else on multiple occasions.



His first post to me very friendly

staxjax wrote:I thought your town on the last world was rather weak, someone was just impressed because he stumbled upon his first 'larger than his own' settlement. Some people made bigger and better settlements with just 1 or 2 people, and how many people do you guys have? Right now I'm sure you are far behind many other groups just because you guys seem like a bunch of casuals to me. This game is not meant to be for casual players, and anybody thinking so will be sorely disappointed. Good luck none the less.



Few days later also very friendly, even when I didn't done anything to him personally.

staxjax wrote:Darnokpl, you should know that I am coming for you in game just like I always have been and will continue to remain impartial on the forums. I play the game first and moderate the forums second. If I were you, I would just relocate your base to a new super secret area, and dont make it so obvious that it is your base...that will keep you safe for awhile. Your second option will be to wait until a new server opens and just move away entirely.



Common users are warned if talking about moding not via PM, but he can do whatever he wants.

staxjax wrote:You havent been banned for a long time, the last ban you had was like 3 days...and anybody has yet to recieve an IP ban.


Even saying who reported who which is rather hidden from other common users for purpose or not intended?

staxjax wrote:I want you to go read through the thread to find the subject being discussed at hand before you report any more post for being off topic.
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:00 pm

darn, it has something to do with your own posts ;)
stop blaming others for your own faults.
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby darnokpl » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:23 pm

Tonkyhonk wrote:darn, it has something to do with your own posts ;)
stop blaming others for your own faults.


Wrong, only few are from threads where I posted.
Maybe you should stop defending your friend and stop put him along with others mods.
People started to rage because of one mod and his friends with immunity, I haven't seen anyone else to be aggressive against others (exclude jokes).
Thread like this is direct cause of actions made by only one group of people, yes they are advanced in perma death game,
yes they are bug reporting (and that is good) and yes they were using their knowledge to HAVE FUN AT COST OF OTHERS factions.

When all went wrong they trolled and spammed to distract attention of common users, still that didn't helped and it was quiet for some time.
When people started to request some changes now you continue their job, blaming others that it was only their own fault not fun times for your friends.
I can agree that few people deserved for ban, not only your friends, but others too, but saying that your friends are crystal clear is crazy act of desperation.
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:38 pm

darnokpl wrote:Maybe you should stop defending your friend and stop put him along with others mods.

again, who is my friend? whoever i regard as my own friends have never posted anything ban worthy.

People started to rage because of one mod and his friends with immunity, I haven't seen anyone else to be aggressive against others (exclude jokes).

immunity? what do you mean?

btw, i know it isnt wrong cause i was also reading your posts :)
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby _Gunnar » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:39 pm

do you guys even realise that dallane is banned still
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Re: Regarding this weekends events

Postby darnokpl » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:47 pm

_Gunnar wrote:do you guys even realise that dallane is banned still


That explains new "troll media puppet"?:)
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