an ebola reminder

[Mereni]

Geez, this is insane. I don't even want to touch the horribly misinformed swine flu thing.

As for vaccines, OF COURSE they're not perfect! Nothing is! But if you would take the time to do the most basic of researches, you'd see that the alternative is much worse.

Let's take the MMR shot for an example. It vaccinates against Measles, Mumps and Rubella.

Measles is a highly contagious airborne disease which combines all the worst parts of influenza with a full body rash, and sometimes seizures. A good 5 percent of children who get it also get pneumonia, which is pretty dangerous, and other secondary infections like ear infections are even more common. About 2 in 1000 children die from the measles itself, while children under 5 and adults over 20 are more likely to suffer complications and death from the secondary infections.

Mumps is not quite so contagious as Measles, but it is still airborne. It also has symptoms similar to a bad influenza infection along with swelling of the salivary glands, and if you've ever seen a picture of a person with mumps, the swelling can be pretty extreme. It generally isn't fatal, but it tends to be worse if you get it after puberty. In that case, you can get swelling of the testicles or of the ovaries, which can cause sterility in men. It can cause encephalitis, which is a swelling of the brain and that can lead to brain damage or death. It can also cause temporary or permanent deafness.

Rubella (German Measles), is airborne and has symptoms similar to the measles except in this case the rash starts at the face and travels downward, clearing up after a few days so that the rash rarely manages to cover all of the body at the same time. Rubella used to occur in epidemics every few years, though thanks to vaccines, that is no longer the case. For the most part, Rubella isn't as bad as the other two, but if a pregnant woman gets it, the baby is a high risk for some very severe developmental problems including retardation, deafness, malformation of various organs and other problems.

So, these diseases have some pretty horrible side effects that can be permanent and can include death. What about the vaccine for them? Well, some children, only a few percent, can get a mild form of measles or mumps, these include some rash and some salivary glad swelling. So, it's no picnic. But the symptoms last less than half as long as the full disease and have a very far fewer complications. I can't find any reports of anyone dying from the reduced disease. Very rarely, about 1/1000, there will be seizures similar to what one may get from actually getting measles. However, that is less often than you get them with the real disease and also note that it is half as often as death occurring from full measles.

There is also the risk of allergic reactions. All vaccines can induce an allergic reaction, but these occur immediately after injection and so are watched for and can be dealt with. They are also extremely rare so it may be frightening to see or hear of it happening, but the risk of death or serious permanent complications from actually getting the disease is much worse.

I have personally had a bad experience with vaccines, and I will share it with you. When I got my last tetanus booster, I ended up getting stiff, painful muscles for a few days, similar to what you get from actual tetanus only not as severe by a long shot. But once that was over, I had 10 years to not worry about getting sick with that disease. Now, the doctor did advise me that while reactions like that are very rare, any reaction you do have tends to worsen with each injection. So, now my decision is do I want another booster? Tetanus is not transmitted from person to person, so unlike most diseases, I will risk myself and only myself by not getting the shot. It's also bacterial in nature so that it can be treated with antibiotics if I do get it. It's still a risk though, getting the treatment is much more expensive than the shot and still has a higher risk of complications so I will likely get the shot next year if I continue to work with animals.

[pistolshrimp]

I searched the Salem wiki and couldn't find the ebola vaccine plz update

[tack]

ok New Yorks got its first case will they do a better job than dallas

[alloin]

It's always funny to see people act like experts, professors or doctors just because they can google it !!

[MagicManICT]

It's always funny to see people act like experts, professors or doctors just because they can google it !!

Looking stuff up on the internet isn't acting like a doctor. It's just "getting informed." Best case, world becomes smarter, worst case, people believe the BS people shove out there for the sake of ... whatever odd reason, and the world gets dumber. (See another thread on this forum I refuse to mention.)

You know what the difference between the average guy and an expert, professor, or doctor is? The latter group looks up information and applies critical reasoning to it!!

[Jackxter]

And in the distant mountain highlands, Jackxter is broken from his meditation by a sharpened ping of stupidity, and swiftly moves towards the origin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0

Darwothian Logic: If one thing bad happens one time because because of something that's proven to be helpful for many others, we should discontinue doing it. I vote Darwoth stops breathing, as breathing has been linked to lung cancer when certain toxins are introduced via it .

[MagicManICT]

And in the distant mountain highlands, Jackxter is broken from his meditation by a sharpened ping of stupidity, and swiftly moves towards the origin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0

Darwothian Logic: If one thing bad happens one time because because of something that's proven to be helpful for many others, we should discontinue doing it. I vote Darwoth stops breathing, as breathing has been linked to lung cancer when certain toxins are introduced via it .

Better, he should avoid dihydrogen monoxide all together as the death rates attributed to it are attrocious. http://www.dhmo.org/

[Ukhata]

And in the distant mountain highlands, Jackxter is broken from his meditation by a sharpened ping of stupidity, and swiftly moves towards the origin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0

Darwothian Logic: If one thing bad happens one time because because of something that's proven to be helpful for many others, we should discontinue doing it. I vote Darwoth stops breathing, as breathing has been linked to lung cancer when certain toxins are introduced via it .

Better, he should avoid dihydrogen monoxide all together as the death rates attributed to it are attrocious. http://www.dhmo.org/

+1

[trungdle]

We shouldn't bash him more. I think he have the right to worry, in the end, it's our choice to believe it or not. I think this thread have reached it maturity. Let it lie down and die off.

Said the one who resurrect it

[Syndarn]

... + I have personally had a bad experience with vaccines, and I will share it with you.

Thanks for sharing.

Let's just forget everything i have posted prior to this and not refer to that. I will try to explain.

Todays lifestyle.
Most people of today live lives that don't make them happy. They are grinding away with believing that having a lot of money guarantees a successful life. They choose jobs that make them have a bigger paycheck vs something that makes them happy. (Based on some false core beliefs that you had been taught when socialized into our society). They eat crap foods that poisons the body, with a lot of preservatives and pesticides. Which puts a load on their immune system in their already tired bodies. We don't exercise nor do we know how to express our emotions. Nor are we connected with the earths surface electricity because we insulate ourselves with rubber shoes and whatnot. We have no idea how to take good care of ourselves. From this point of view a vaccine can be a good thing, and i would argue that it actually is. Robin Williams was a good example of this, he had a lot of money but was very sad and didn't really find what made him happy i guess, so he took his own life. Not enough happiness in his life, not enough flow.

What it should be.
Now if you pursued your life's joy and you would do what makes you happy, your body wouldn't be in constant resistance and conflict since in the above your joy pulls one way and your brain pulls another way, so the above is a very exhausting lifestyle. In this one it would be just moving towards joy effortlessly. Now if you on top of this knew how to take care of yourself, and you would have a very balanced body which leads to a strong immune system, then you would't need vaccines. Because if you did!, that would mean that the human is a flawed creation and is not meant to get through life without artificially helping their body. So in one way is when you take a vaccine you are saying that you don't trust your body enough to let it handle it by itself. Then your body is probably not gonna do it since you believe that it is not gonna manage the disease. Since you create your own reality. In this way of thinking taking a vaccine is embarrassing since you don't trust yourself, which means you can't really love yourself either. Which means you don't have very happy lives.

So hows this philosophy?

-Kruger