Murder: Location known.

[Ikpeip]

Good afternoon,

Floundering around the outskirts of Boston will get you killed. I understand you're upset at your loss, but mikus has done you a favor by teaching you this lesson now, instead of when you had invested more into your character.

If you handle this situation well, you've gotten a valuable lesson for little cost, and can thrive in the future.

If you handle the situation poorly, you will only suffer more in the future, and would be advised to depart from the New World.

All that being said, if you wish to appeal your execution I can have your case reviewed by the Appellate Brave.

Faithfully,

-PmP

[Cheena]

Many people make this silly argument as if players should feel bad for killing other players, but Salem is all about murdering fellow players and stealing their stuff. If Mikus enjoys that aspect of the game, good for him.

But Mereni. They SHOULD feel bad. Salem is not all about murdering other players and stealing their stuff. It's all about having the POSSIBILITY to do it, and making choices. Killing and stealing is wrong, it doesn't matter that you've been granted the ability to do so.
The only thing that is good for him is that he never got punished for that; on that matter I'd say that in the current state of things, I have to become Mikus to punish Mikus. And that's not in my projects to become a murderer, a thief and a massive destroyer, or worse, a coward that hides being a murderer, a thief and a massive destroyer.

[Mereni]

But Mereni. They SHOULD feel bad. Salem is not all about murdering other players and stealing their stuff. It's all about having the POSSIBILITY to do it, and making choices. Killing and stealing is wrong, it doesn't matter that you've been granted the ability to do so.
The only thing that is good for him is that he never got punished for that; on that matter I'd say that in the current state of things, I have to become Mikus to punish Mikus. And that's not in my projects to become a murderer, a thief and a massive destroyer, or worse, a coward that hides being a murderer, a thief and a massive destroyer.

Nope. If he was murdering people in real life, I'd agree with you, he should feel bad. But this is a game, a game with allows for recreational murder and thievery and the enjoyment thereof. YOU are the one who should feel bad here. You come in here saying that Mikus is wrong and cowardly and blah bah blah blah blah, and then you claim you're 'too good' to oppose him. That's *****. You want him to stop having fun killing everyone he comes across? Make a great big combat character, walk off claim, and kill him your own self.

[Hose]

1v1 me offclaim mikus, oh i forgot there are no legit 1v1 fights

[Dallane]

Make a great big combat character, walk off claim, and kill him your own self.

This is why the tribe is out of control. No one wants to pvp in salem

[Icon]

Make a great big combat character, walk off claim, and kill him your own self.

This is why the tribe is out of control. No one wants to pvp in salem

its true, everyone comes here to play advanced farmville, in the end, you loose your character to a wipe anyways. This isnt farmville with fighting, its mortal kombat with corn

[Cheena]

Nope. If he was murdering people in real life, I'd agree with you, he should feel bad. But this is a game, a game with allows for recreational murder and thievery and the enjoyment thereof. YOU are the one who should feel bad here. You come in here saying that Mikus is wrong and cowardly and blah bah blah blah blah, and then you claim you're 'too good' to oppose him. That's *****. You want him to stop having fun killing everyone he comes across? Make a great big combat character, walk off claim, and kill him your own self.

Welp it looks like we have a huge disagreement about what Salem is. Of course that RL it's bad and the game is not the same, I'm not even willing to discuss that, as obvious as it is. I agree that Salem is a game with allows for recreational murder etc aswell. Because welp, that's in its description.
But, again, being allowed to wrong people (because that is what it is, losing a character and your lovely buildings hurts, even if you were prepared for that) doesn't mean it isn't wrong anymore.

Salem is... a sandbox right. Let's compare it with a RL sandbox then. I loved building sand castles with my father when I was a child, and once it was built, the idea was that the first to destroy the other's castle would win. We could have, aswell, decided to destroy the other children's castles; we wouldn't have hurted them in any physical way, but they were not necessarly here to see unknown people come and trample on their [fragile, useless and inconsistent] buildings. Although that's obviously something that can happen when you go to the beach because some children are so mean. Plus the castle will die on the shore anyway. Yet while you're having fun with it's not really cool.
You could tell me that it's not the same and that the real comparision would be if it was a sand castle contest with the right to destroy your opponent's castles. I could agree with that. Those whining about the others using their right should hear "what the heck did you expect !?" yet it still doesn't mean that it's the good thing to do. The smartest and probably funniest thing to do, but still very wrong.
Entering the contest obviously means that you are fair play and ready to get your things destroyed. Would you really enjoy seeing it happening is another question and I really doubt the answer is yes for a majority of people; even if some dude offered you protection as long as you do what he tells you to do without arguing against what he himself does.

Now one more point : I like Mikus, discussing with him is always cool etc. My character doesn't. That's roleplay.
And this is Salem in my point of view. You play a colonist that wants to settle on the new world for reasons. The law is nothing but a very far island on the other side of the ocean, and it's up to you to make your own path on Providence. Everything is permitted. And there begins roleplay.


I do not and will never believe that murdering people is good, even if those people are evil. A life is a life. Everyone should be permitted to repent and use their lives to do great things. Ending a life, is ending the possibility to see those great things happening. You could argue that it's up to their heirs to make it happen, but it is just ridiculous. Murdering someone is nothing but a loss; of all the time that has been spent by this person in making projects, starting them, acquiring knowledge; a loss of that knowledge that could have been shared. A loss of an elder that would have a lot of stories to tell to the new comers. It's nothing, but a waste. Only gods should have the right to chose who lives and who doesn't.

I'm far from being too good to oppose Mikus either. I'm just fighting against the will to do so physically. I dream enough about the day I'll get my sword in Darwoth's, Mikus's or other evildoers' chest. But that would just be meaningless. Using fire to fight fire has never been my way to do things and I really hope it will always be like that.

Do not understand me wrong by the way, I am not saying that Mikus is a coward. I am saying that I would be a coward if I was engaging someone to do the dirty job for me while pretending to keep my hands white.

Since I do not really have any other choice for now, only thing I can do is to try to convince him to stop being evil, while he'll try to convince me how good it is to be evil. I suspect he'll convince me the first, but only the future will tell us.

[Thor]

Cheena and her wall of posts =P

[summertime]

Nope. If he was murdering people in real life, I'd agree with you, he should feel bad.

nope, that completely depends on why he did it, it is for a just cause he shouldnt feel bad at all... Obama doesnt lose sleep because he kills member of IS with drones

[alprice]

To lose a character is horrible. People handle it different ways. It would be nice if you could only be murdered if the character actually committed a crime. I wouldn't feel so bad about the person being posted in the forum getting scalped. It hurts every time I see someone get killed that just started the game or never read a forum. They think wow this game is cool and I will buy store stuff and help the game and kill a deer one day. Then reality hits and your dead for no reason because someone can kill you. I do however agree that towns should battle for rights and there should be fighting in the game. Just my thoughts. Everyone knows I am a care bear but IRL I don't like Care Bears.