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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby Whyamihere » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:34 am

JohnCarver wrote:
Whyamihere wrote:I was expecting there to be a belt I mean what kind of carpenter does not have a carpenters belt. :lol:


Our version of a toolbelt was decided to be too OP for store-only.


I was just joking but does that mean you guys are really working on one then that would be a nice addition.

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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby RonPaulFTW » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:41 am

This is going to be an unpopular post but here goes:

I think you should raise the weekly rent on the stalls. 200s is really low. You only have to sell 571 silver in goods for the week to meet the tax. There should be a larger punishment for empty stalls (there are a lot) - and because the tax goes to the rent first - stalls that keep themselves stocked with reasonably priced goods will have no issue meeting a higher rent.

P.S. - A lifetime sold ticker would be nice in each stall so we can measure our own progress towards the 250k reward.
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby Potjeh » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:43 am

Possibly, but they should give it some time so the market stabilizes and see how much the median stall sells in a week.
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby Orcling » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:11 am

RonPaulFTW wrote:This is going to be an unpopular post but here goes:

I think you should raise the weekly rent on the stalls. 200s is really low. You only have to sell 571 silver in goods for the week to meet the tax. There should be a larger punishment for empty stalls (there are a lot) - and because the tax goes to the rent first - stalls that keep themselves stocked with reasonably priced goods will have no issue meeting a higher rent.

P.S. - A lifetime sold ticker would be nice in each stall so we can measure our own progress towards the 250k reward.


Rather than increasing the weekly rent, why not punish empty stalls instead? It would be stupid to keep increasing the amount of stalls each time they run out when there's a ton (5-10, possibly more) that don't even have a single item, then there are some that only have a single item, at a price no one would ever pay.
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby JohnCarver » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:18 am

We will be monitoring the stall atmosphere.
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby Kandarim » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:29 am

My main interest is what will be done to stalls that sell nothing.
For example, in roa we (Arcadia) controlled one of the stalls on boston square itself. The other stall was empty for roughly HALF A YEAR because it had so much silver in till that it could pretty much keep paying upkeep eternally. I'm pretty sure it would still be going on if roa was not shut down.

What about a system where every second week, after deducting taxes, the silver in till is sent to the bank of the owner of the stall?
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby Bjebr » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:01 am

I completely agree with Kandarim , the important thing is to not have empty stall filled with previous/old silver , but maybe just send half of the money to bank every week so we can have a little time away ?

RonPaulFTW: In fact i think this week there'll be a lot of cash spend on stall (because all of us have old stored things to sell , because we will found what we were searching for a long time) . But in the next weeks I have seriously no idea how it will evolve , what will be good sale , and what will not. 48 stalls , probably more soon if JC add a new row, that's a lot of competitor , not sure there's place for 48 sellers of dry board/iron :D

Bjebr , Cheap Jalapeno , cheap Red Herring , come to see my stall ! ok not really cheap ¦]
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby Procne » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:01 am

Orcling wrote:
RonPaulFTW wrote:This is going to be an unpopular post but here goes:

I think you should raise the weekly rent on the stalls. 200s is really low. You only have to sell 571 silver in goods for the week to meet the tax. There should be a larger punishment for empty stalls (there are a lot) - and because the tax goes to the rent first - stalls that keep themselves stocked with reasonably priced goods will have no issue meeting a higher rent.

P.S. - A lifetime sold ticker would be nice in each stall so we can measure our own progress towards the 250k reward.


Rather than increasing the weekly rent, why not punish empty stalls instead? It would be stupid to keep increasing the amount of stalls each time they run out when there's a ton (5-10, possibly more) that don't even have a single item, then there are some that only have a single item, at a price no one would ever pay.


Wouldn't increased weekly rent have no impact on active stalls? If taxes money reduce the upkeep then it shouldn't be hard to generate 200-500s of taxes within a week.

Hmm you might even go further. Remove upkeep payments alltogether and just add a requirement that stall must generate xxx silver in taxes or is abandoned at the end of the week. But oh well, guess no point in changing this now, too early to tell

edit: to avoid the situation described by Kandarim you could have a tax meter capped at 3 weeks worth of "upkeep". So no matter how big sales were, it would suffice only for 3 weeks.
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby ImpalerWrG » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:16 am

Stall squatting is going to be a problem with this low rent rate. Folks with one stall have an incentive to buy up others just to keep other people from entering the market place.

I think this system of 1 owner for each physical stall is unnecessary, especially when it's been said that anonymity is intentional. I see no reason that multiple, even unlimited owners can not function through one stall. Each one just has a separate account, a separate tax bill etc. This mean we only ever need 1 physical stall in each cost category, the best would be in town square, mid grade down the lane to the dock and the crud one down at the beach, 10 all together would be plenty, new merchants can always buy a stall in what ever category they are willing to shell out for, rents should also scale with desirability. In fact it would even allow the owner to rent on a PER-SLOT basis so that people can scale up a bit at a time.

The shopper will have a very long list of stuff to purchase of course, and that likely presents an interface hurdle but it solves what I predict will be an ongoing problem of lock-out and/or Boston bloat as more and more stalls are added.

Also, I very much like the idea of a leader-board for most lucrative merchant, but don't make it cumulative sales, make it sales in the last month. We care about what are immediate competitors are doing right now, not some one off lucky sales streak they had a year ago. Same goes for all leader-board type stuff, keep it current, it's not a hall-of-fame (you want thouse fine make em but be clear about the difference).
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Re: Sounds like Stalls

Postby RonPaulFTW » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:13 pm

ImpalerWrG wrote:Also, I very much like the idea of a leader-board for most lucrative merchant, but don't make it cumulative sales, make it sales in the last month. We care about what are immediate competitors are doing right now, not some one off lucky sales streak they had a year ago. Same goes for all leader-board type stuff, keep it current, it's not a hall-of-fame (you want thouse fine make em but be clear about the difference).


Would be cool if we could get a mask for top kill in last month - instead of top ten kill all time. Same with cookie etc...

In other news - just bought some more 25s iron. You all realize after tax you net 16.25s each and the going rate for forum trading was 40-45s each?
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