Tribal Horde Presents Dances-With-Dudes

[Jalpha]

However you allowed Vigilance into your fold after this event, and thus the reputation of your group is sullied. You are tarred with the same brush, especially as I have no doubt that his actions were encouraged by yourself, and the rest of your faction.

It's pretty disgusting, but on the upside we have yet another example of the kinds of underhanded tactics MM will stoop to. Obviously you fail at doing things the honorable way. This event sends your reputation plummeting to new lows.

[jwhitehorn]

However you allowed Vigilance into your fold after this event, and thus the reputation of your group is sullied. You are tarred with the same brush, especially as I have no doubt that his actions were encouraged by yourself, and the rest of your faction.

It's pretty disgusting, but on the upside we have yet another example of the kinds of underhanded tactics MM will stoop to. Obviously you fail at doing things the honorable way. This event sends your reputation plummeting to new lows.

Reading Comrphension Failure. The only account found in breach of security settings has been declared by Loftar to be the DanneMM account. This account has now been admitted to be owned by SittingBull. Somebody logging onto a shared account for the town is nothing more than poor town policies. If somebody was dumb enough to put their main character on teh shared town account (Realak) well, then they are subject to whatever shennanigans the owners of that town choose to do. IN this case it looks like Vigi logged on to use it during the raid, and SB changed the password and stole it.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[naosnule]

Obviously you fail at doing things the honorable way.

Not trying to use spies and infiltration techniques is very dishonorable; that's like stating "you don't matter, so we won't bother". Big insult.

[Tonkyhonk]

DanneMM gave the account to Lalliath/Tamasin, who gave it to myself. Not a single petition, request or remark has been heard by either party to have the account returned.

if that was the case, why would the original owner come to irc to ask loftar to delete it? (and a request has already been made.)

i presented your past records to prove how you are not in the place to ask for the punishment you want. like i said, the same boat.
vigi accepted the verdict and yes, he has very bad records too but most everyone knows to deal with him with the potential risk in mind, and it was your choice to trust him with account-sharing.
realak has the past records as well and i had summarized here fyi, and also that "ShadowRanger", mentioned in the link inside you-faking-to-be-mvpeh thread, is realak himself with his usual ban evasion.

i do not see much difference among three of you, except that vigi can be quite sweet sometimes and fun to chat with

[jwhitehorn]

Now would also be a good time to highlight the fact that if this Town had signed the Treaty then NONE of this ever would have happened. Thus, one can conclude that signing the Treaty allows for less-risk if your town MUST create town-wide accounts to share. However, if you are not signing the Treaty then you should strongly consider not doing so as you could be sharing it with a Tribal Horde affiliate who will use it for justice.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Shill]

You seriously couldn't make this **** up. Someone call Hollywood, this is a Blockbuster hit in the making.

I'm still having troulbe at grasping the God damn relevence of the DanneMM account. It has one toon on it, a naked 5/5/5/5 alt, with a snake skull in it's inventory. That account IP is no different than the Shill account IP. What is the charge levied against that account, and it's relevence to the actions of Vigilance and Realak? The matter is Pizza, yet the turtles are all crying about nuts they had the night prior.

At the time, the password to every account under my management had the same password, and I assure you, no one but myself knew the password. The only time DanneMM account logged in was to stand in town and monitor what Vigilance was doing. Before that, one time to engage in dialogue with Embryanna about old Roanoke history/current politics.

The fact remains:

DanneMM and any possessions he had were lost with the wipe, irrelevant to the current world and the stealing of any possessions
DanneMM Bank/Mailbox have not been touched, and will remain to do so, not even so much as the Closed Beta Package was taken when they were avaible
DanneMM's email tied to the acount had remained the same, and will continue to do so, so long as it is under my care
DanneMM may make a request via the appropriate channels to have his account returned, it was never stolen, complete bogus lie.

Darwoth said it best:

I have had numerous chances in this game to hijack accounts and never have because i am not a piece of ****, even been given accounts to do with as i pleased that i returned a year later (during this relaunch) knowing full well that said accounts had large sums of money tied up in items that would be refunded, items that could have been mine. again because i am not a *****.

Again, same scenario with Realak, after Vigilance withdrew from committing a DoS, he took to attacking Willy, and Realak demanded I was not allowed to use his account, or to use Wild Bill, even though my own personal judgment demanded I use Wild Bill, and put a stop to Vigilance. I refrained, and honored Realak's demands. In fact Vigilance had derped certain things involved with the personal claim, I only needed to exploit that mistake and use Wild Bill, and this all could have been avoided. But Realak was rather firm on his demand, and stealing, DoSing, and violating the Good Faith attached to account sharing, is not my forte, period. I only had one other option, the Mayor, and that scenario would have ended even ***** for us.

Tonky, no matter how hard you try with your Swiss Cheese, I am not in the same boat, period. This is why the legal Maxim is as so:

Possession is Nine-Tenths the Law

With Regards,

Shill the Thief

[Tonkyhonk]

Realak demanded I was not allowed to use his account, or to use Wild Bill, even though my own personal judgment demanded I use Wild Bill, and put a stop to Vigilance. I refrained, and honored Realak's demands. In fact Vigilance had derped certain things involved with the personal claim, I only needed to exploit that mistake and use Wild Bill, and this all could have been avoided. But Realak was rather firm on his demand, and stealing, DoSing, and violating the Good Faith attached to account sharing, is not my forte, period. I only had one other option, the Mayor, and that scenario would have ended even ***** for us.

realak demanded you were not allowed to use his account but you did (even you got that picture "already logged in" to prove your action), and so did vigi when he used it. whats the difference?
also, a little bird was singing something about someone trying to guess someone elses account and trials failed.

btw, some people value their account names, unlike you. why you had to keep on using someone elses account even after the wipe is beyond comprehension, unless you were planning to fake id again, especially when you can freely create your own accounts.

[Shill]

Realak demanded I was not allowed to use his account, or to use Wild Bill, even though my own personal judgment demanded I use Wild Bill, and put a stop to Vigilance. I refrained, and honored Realak's demands. In fact Vigilance had derped certain things involved with the personal claim, I only needed to exploit that mistake and use Wild Bill, and this all could have been avoided. But Realak was rather firm on his demand, and stealing, DoSing, and violating the Good Faith attached to account sharing, is not my forte, period. I only had one other option, the Mayor, and that scenario would have ended even ***** for us.

realak demanded you were not allowed to use his account but you did (even you got that picture "already logged in" to prove your action), and so did vigi when he used it. whats the difference?
also, a little bird was singing something about someone trying to guess someone elses account and trials failed.

btw, some people value their account names, unlike you. why you had to keep on using someone elses account is beyond comprehension, unless you were planning to fake id again, especially when you can freely create your own accounts.

I'm on the telephone with him in that shot sweetheart, and I'm pretty sure Realak will testify to that. Any other straws you want to grasp at? Why didn't you raise this issue an hour ago when I posted the screenshot?

Dem straws doe

Grasp much?

With Regards,

Shill the Thief

[Tonkyhonk]

you still dont get it?
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8967&start=30#p118733
it wasnt the tribe, as realak expected, but it was you

[Shill]

Talk about missing the mark. Realak spoke with me, and I arrived the conclusion Loftar was looking at the wrong timestamps, which Realak provided him. I have documented the proper timestamp, screenshots and all. Down to the minute, within severals econds of the Denial of Service taking place. That is the sole issue at hand, the only charge levied by me against the defendant in this court. My evidence is strong, and easily verified, that on March 3rd, 2014 near to 9:18PM Central Standard Time, one known as Vigilance did, knowingly, purposefully and unlawfully commit in violation of common practices the offense of:

DENIAL OF SERVICE, ACCESSING THE GAME SERVICE PROVIDED BY SEATRIBE

Here are the only powers that be that have any authority to cause a Denial of Service Lawfully:

The power company(Players/Seatribe)
Governmental Agencies
Seatribe and/or its Staff
Internet Service Providers
An act of God
Et cetera

Loftar having been armed with the proper details, can now go look, see, agree, and either adhere and submit to the truth, or disregard it. Easily verified that the account was accessed by the Hank IP, and for a great deal of time, did not log into a character and another IP attempted to login to same account. Period, end of story. I am retiring from this controversy, as every post further solidifes the Tribe. This is their project, and everyone of you is partaking in it. At 2AM a deal was struck between the Chief and Vigilance to save his skin and to market the resale value of yet another controversy hit peice in HoB:



Good game.

With Regards,

Shill the Thief