Your opinion about the Civil War in Ukraine

[MagicManICT]

just look at Syria. If the international community is doing ***** all there on account of Russia being against intervention

You mean "***** all except arming every idiot in the country with a grudge while desperately trying to cajole their own war-weary polities into another senseless foreign conflict in defense of the interests of a vastly overextended overseas empire through massive amounts of propaganda"?

What he said?

I get you, jorb. I live in one of those countries and I'm tired of it. I wish we'd go back to our policy of Isolationism, but the genie is out of the bottle (nuclear weapons primarily, and it's going to be a long time before we can get out from under the cloud of Mutually Assured Destruction, even if we can never completely go back to that policy.

Hopefully we can discover the means for reasonable interstellar travel soon and go back to a stance of colonization and expansion. It would help relieve some of the stresses we have here (by creating different ones, of course). Then again, that pressure of "our only hospitable planet" disappears and what stops the nukes from flying at each other then if escape from the fallout can be assured?

[ZtyX]

Don't hold your breath for space travel... That's all science fiction. We'd much sooner become extinct on this planet than invent the neccesary technology (if it's even possible)...


Oh and Brego.. What revolution are you talking about? All I get from searching Google for this is that it's some kind of series of demonstrations, albeit serious. Anyway this thing will blow over soon enough.

[Darwoth]

if you think that space travel is not on the horizon you are a ***** idiot.

[Brego]

Oh and Brego.. What revolution are you talking about? All I get from searching Google for this is that it's some kind of series of demonstrations, albeit serious. Anyway this thing will blow over soon enough.

IDIOT?????
***** off.Do not know how to read my post it is your problems.I posted here some of information.
At the moment revolution . .I can't translate you into English.

http://news.bigmir.net/ukraine/788121-Oppoziciya-dogovorilas-s-Yanykovichem-prekratit-silovoe-protivostoyanie-i-otpystit-vseh-zaderjannih---Klichko

This is last info.Ukrainian language.People did not stopped.I was there and i know what is happening now,but they have something like rest for some time.
I can tell you today is last and main night.We will soon how will be talks with president.But people still continue capture governement buildings.haha.i like it.6 hours ago we captured building Minagropolitiki.

http://revolution-ukraine.com/index.php/en/

in English

https://www.facebook.com/RevolutionUkraina

Facebook English

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2013/12/08/what-the-new-ukrainian-revolution-is-really-about/

some info .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

Read for more info about Euromaidan

20 sec using just google.Typed Ukrainian revolution.

[Potjeh]

just look at Syria. If the international community is doing ***** all there on account of Russia being against intervention

You mean "***** all except arming every idiot in the country with a grudge while desperately trying to cajole their own war-weary polities into another senseless foreign conflict in defense of the interests of a vastly overextended overseas empire through massive amounts of propaganda"?

Qatar and Turkey don't make for international community. If USA was arming the rebels you'd see a difference (they'd be driving around in Abrams tanks).

[Brego]

just look at Syria. If the international community is doing ***** all there on account of Russia being against intervention

You mean "***** all except arming every idiot in the country with a grudge while desperately trying to cajole their own war-weary polities into another senseless foreign conflict in defense of the interests of a vastly overextended overseas empire through massive amounts of propaganda"?

Qatar and Turkey don't make for international community. If USA was arming the rebels you'd see a difference (they'd be driving around in Abrams tanks).

you know that even the Vice President of the USA, call the president of Ukraine, and told him to stop the violence!
translated to find another way to resolve peacefully all)

[jorb]

just look at Syria. If the international community is doing ***** all there on account of Russia being against intervention

You mean "***** all except arming every idiot in the country with a grudge while desperately trying to cajole their own war-weary polities into another senseless foreign conflict in defense of the interests of a vastly overextended overseas empire through massive amounts of propaganda"?

Qatar and Turkey don't make for international community. If USA was arming the rebels you'd see a difference (they'd be driving around in Abrams tanks).

Heh, no. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/12/polit ... ng-rebels/

Or this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_in ... ted_States

CIA operatives distributed assault rifles, anti-tank rocket launchers and other ammunition to Syrian opposition.

[Jalpha]

Hopefully we can discover the means for reasonable interstellar travel soon and go back to a stance of colonization and expansion.

if you think that space travel is not on the horizon you are a ***** idiot.

Kudos.

There's no need for interstellar travel though. Space elevators are viable with existing technology, just on the moon or mars instead of on earth. Supermassive space habitats could be built if the will existed.

[MagicManICT]

Don't hold your breath for space travel... That's all science fiction. We'd much sooner become extinct on this planet than invent the neccesary technology (if it's even possible)...

First, I doubt you're qualified to speak on this matter. Point: people swore up and down we couldn't break the sound barrier, either. Yet it got broken in the late 1940s with a specially designed rocket. Sailors have sworn up and down that there's an equivalent to the sound barrier for sailboats. With some recent designs in boats, the latter is being broken as we speak. (Video of the record breaking run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnjyusAgk8I )

But that's neither here nor there. If we could all look at the world and our relationships with each other with such objectivity, we wouldn't be in the situations we're in now. No, basic animalistic selfishness gets in the way every time.

Qatar and Turkey don't make for international community. If USA was arming the rebels you'd see a difference (they'd be driving around in Abrams tanks).

Do you know what the Americans gave to the Afghans during the Soviet invasion during the 80s? Swiss and French built weapons that couldn't be traced back to the US. If the US wanted to covertly support something like this, nobody would know until after it was over.

*note: I'm not going to hold my breath. And Darwoth, I'm not talking about manned colonies on the Moon or Mars, I'm talking interstellar travel. I doubt we'll see another starsystem with our own eyes within my lifetime, though I do expect the first true interstellar probe to launch sometime in the next 20-40 years (though I doubt I'll see results). Within my grandchildren's lifetime? For sure, assuming governments are willing to spend on further physics research. All this we've learned about bosons with the LHC should have came 10 years earlier if the US hadn't gotten all political and cut funding to a new accelerator. I could go on and on about this subject, but I'm not going to take any more away from this thread and not sure anyone else wants to really discuss it as much as I do. PM if you do and I'll post something. (Maybe we just need a "science wonders" thread....)

[Potjeh]