Your opinion about the Civil War in Ukraine

[Potjeh]

As someone from ex-Yugoslavia, I can tell you that's not quite civil war yet. And you don't want it to be, either, wars aren't as fun as movies would have you believe.

[Brego]

As someone from ex-Yugoslavia, I can tell you that's not quite civil war yet. And you don't want it to be, either, wars aren't as fun as movies would have you believe.

you not right.this is civil war.i was there and i'ma something like part of people who are fighting for freedom, but what I can tell, there is a version that Ukraine can be divided into three separate states, which means that power is lost if the people to revolt and already goes to the counter attack, this means that the civil war began otherwise people would just not began to rebel. Therefore, they act together and more accurately in order to government resigned.
You are all so confidently say that this is not a war, and what may be a riot when people have killed many government agencies? Know if it was a riot that the government would easily extinguish it, but the government can not do anything because it can not go against such a lot of people.
  people are gradually seized power in the city.
What kind of an interesting rebellion, when you come into the city center and it is completely spaced, with any passerby with joy can beat everyone.
Especially since you can always stop the rebellion and civil war is impossible because our government is very stupid

[Potjeh]

It ain't war till they break out the artillery.

[Brego]

It ain't war till they break out the artillery.

People understand perfectly and want less blood, so they are waiting for the moment when the government weaken, along with this they capture city. Why did you start to argue about what you can not explain himself?
People do not want a civil war, but it began, and the government can not do anything at the moment, besides how to introduce new laws that have finally broken the freedom of man.

Modern civil war is not what it was in the old days, because everybody understands that we should not so much blood. basis of this policy, the strength are people.this is something looks like a revolution, but people have made the mistake to the one that went to the government by force.
I am right to say that you're wrong.
If you do not know what's going on and just read, then believe me many do not want to tell the truth what is happening here.
Now think if the government did not want a civil war, it would have gone to meet people, but they make new laws and turn the country into a dictatorship.
This is really true.

This means that people got more rage to completely take over.

[Jalpha]

I am also of the opinion that you cannot call what's happening in the Ukraine a civil war until the military is involved.

You could call it a revolution perhaps, but not war.

[Claeyt]

It's definitely something more than just a protest now. Nobody has died yet,right?

It's interesting to see Ukraine come to this because they are separated along a lot of really distinct lines. Language, East vs West, Rural versus Urban, Europe vs Russia. Somehow I think this will turn out with an early set of new elections.

Either way Russia loses. They can't enter Ukraine to support the government like they did Georgia. If they did both the U.S. and Europe have said that they would place sanctions on them and the Ukrainian government. Their only card against Europe Russia has is Natural Gas and the U.S. and Canada are developing some of the largest Natural Gas finds recently right now and prices are very low. It's expensive to ship but not that much. In an economy dominated by oil and energy, Russia can't risk international condemnation they could only sell so much to China without pipelines there. Their economy would collapse. The Ukrainian government doesn't seem to have the majority of the people on it's side. From what my Ukrainian friends tell me it's about a 60-40% split.

The government knows it's gone to far and the opposition leaders are trying to bring it back to being peaceful. They'll negotiate for early elections and a repeal of the new protest laws. An actual civil War would lead to Russia secretly supporting the "Russian" Ukrainians and probably controlling the war with an eventual 2 state redrawing of Ukraine after months or years of war. Meanwhile the protests will continue unless the government changes.

Otherwise.....

[Potjeh]

I'm just saying that not every revolution is a war. Governments can and do get overthrown peacefully, and seeing how the government hasn't shelled the protestors with artillery yet I'd say that's how it's most likely to go down. Ie you're likely gonna do like Egypt rather than like Syria, and you should be grateful for that rather than insisting it's a real war.

[Brego]

I say to you two blunt,not you mod, and their sacrifice is enough to hide.
This is only the beginning.
Enough people have died while thousands were missing.

[Brego]

I'm just saying that not every revolution is a war. Governments can and do get overthrown peacefully, and seeing how the government hasn't shelled the protestors with artillery yet I'd say that's how it's most likely to go down. Ie you're likely gonna do like Egypt rather than like Syria, and you should be grateful for that rather than insisting it's a real war.

Think about how it would look if the thousands of people murdered in?????
What then will think about Ukraine?
Government went against the people??
Dictatorship??
And where is the freedom of the individual?
I wrote here and that is just the beginning of the Civil War.
But she already comes as 1 day.
The most interesting thing that our people will not stop, nothing can not be corrected.
Can be safely stored weapons and prepare to that one day you will stand for the freedom of man!

[MagicManICT]

It ain't war till they break out the artillery.

Vietnam was never a "war" as far as US involvement was concerned. There was plenty of artillery fired (and bombs dropped, lives lost, etc, etc). Yet I think the whole Irish/UK conflict was classified as a war, but that I know of (and I didn't follow it closely or have read about it since it was in the news on a regular basis in the US), it was classified as a war.

But I get what you're saying. Until you lay in bed at night worried about a misfired shell falling on your head, you're not really in a war.