Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby Hardy » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:58 am

Khaztropix wrote:You made it seem like he did by lumping him in with the other people who did.

Why is it that the guy who brings up legitimate concerns with cited sources, receives the same ban as people who are posting personal pictures of other users? Isn't this the thread to bring up legitimate moderation concerns? Any ban, let a lone a one month ban for posting moderation complaints in the moderation complaint thread seems abusive.


I agree with Khaz on this even if your saying we can no longer discuss moderation even in this thread why would he be band for a post before this rule was in effect.
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby Claeyt » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:01 am

HnH doesn't have a thread like this. Maybe we should get rid of this one to and just go to a PM mod complaint system like HnH. No matter what your opinion on this month's Mod/Tribe arguments and bans you have to agree that things have gotten out of hand. It seems to me like 90% of the whole problem is that we have a public cage match like this thread that pits the mods against the tribe on a daily basis.

It ramps up the agro and then the only release is the mod bans if they're justified or not. Personally I could do without this thread myself. I vote we go to a PM or email system if it gets rid of forum days like today.
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby sabinati » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:21 am

Khaztropix wrote:You made it seem like he did by lumping him in with the other people who did.

Why is it that the guy who brings up legitimate concerns with cited sources, receives the same ban as people who are posting personal pictures of other users? Isn't this the thread to bring up legitimate moderation concerns? Any ban, let a lone a one month ban for posting moderation complaints in the moderation complaint thread seems abusive.


yes, this thread is for legitimate moderation concerns, it is not for rules lawyering, mod harassment, trolling, or repeatedly bringing up "concerns" that have previously been addressed.
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby staxjax » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:22 am

sabinati wrote:RULES LAWYERING WILL CEASE FROM THIS POINT. POSTING IMAGES OF ANOTHER USER WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT IS NOW CARRIES THE POSSIBILITY OF A PERMABAN.

The following users are banned for one month for misbehavior.

Argost
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Ikpeip
jwhitehorn


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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby sabinati » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:23 am

Claeyt wrote:HnH doesn't have a thread like this.


yes it does, the old one got accidently'd but here's the new one http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/vie ... =6&t=32976
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby Claeyt » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:45 am

sabinati wrote:
Claeyt wrote:HnH doesn't have a thread like this.


yes it does, the old one got accidently'd but here's the new one http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/vie ... =6&t=32976

Ahh, haven't been in that section of it for awhile. Usually just stick to the political/raiding threads.


Unfortunately this means now I've got to read Binks's signature about me all month. :lol:
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby Khaztropix » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:59 am

sabinati wrote:
Khaztropix wrote:You made it seem like he did by lumping him in with the other people who did.

Why is it that the guy who brings up legitimate concerns with cited sources, receives the same ban as people who are posting personal pictures of other users? Isn't this the thread to bring up legitimate moderation concerns? Any ban, let a lone a one month ban for posting moderation complaints in the moderation complaint thread seems abusive.


yes, this thread is for legitimate moderation concerns, it is not for rules lawyering, mod harassment, trolling, or repeatedly bringing up "concerns" that have previously been addressed.


I'm sorry if this seems obtuse, but you didn't cite any of Ikpeip's discussion with TeckX about the current application of rules vs. previous application of rules, so at what point did it become rules lawyering, mod harassment, or trolling? Even if it was a previous "concern" as you call it, did it seriously warrant a ban? If it was such a ban worthy offense, why didn't TeckX end the discussion and ban him?

It just simply looks like you banned him by association rather than the content of his posts.
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby MagicManICT » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:28 am

When I left this afternoon to go to the football game, this thread was on page 52 or 53, and that wasn't even the start of it. Are the pages this issue consumes necessary for all the ***** and accusations that have gone on? After the first statements and rebuttals, it really does start turning into spam and ranting. Sometimes walking away and thinking about it is really what is needed to get a proper look at the issue and time to discuss it with those who are in charge. If a person isn't willing to do that voluntarily, then we, as mods, have no choice but to enact a ban. You can then discuss it via whatever means are left (if any). I was already tempted at to issue short bans to just halt the discussion so things could be straightened out.

Decisions requiring a group consensus can't be made in a moments notice, especially when its an international group that has varying hours of availability.

I will note that it wasn't the mods that made the change in the rule. Or rather I should say, it was made with TotalyMoo and jorb's consent due to an issue that came up with another user. We discussed it with them at the time and the decision was made. If there IS any further issue here, we'll try to discuss it reasonably, but baseless accusations, trolling, and spamming won't make it easier to get the answers, it'll just get you banned as happened tonight.
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby colesie » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:49 am

I personally have felt harassed by the majority of the banned individuals for quite some time now, even before I was moderating. Most of them can only be seen as a toxin at this point and I have no problem with this ruling. This forum is full of people who cannot take what is handed to them in stride and people who are constantly looking for loopholes in the system as an excuse to troll and gain power. An example of these control tactics is when Binks was trying to make me say exact words in order for him to stop *****. That's not how this works.
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Re: Moderation Complaints Megathread v.2.0

Postby Ash of Yew » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:55 am

No updates, no new content except from players.

****** moderators ban the players because they are sad on the inside. Way too petty, this community has really gone down hill.

So ***** this, I'm out! :ugeek:
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