Let's have that political discussion.

[Claeyt]

Darwoth is full of ***** as always.

The reason nobody wants to restart all those phone, internet, and cable companies in the Red Areas is because nobody with half a brain wants to live in the "Red Areas" of our country. Poor, Rural and Ignorant is not better. As for industry there's a reason it's mostly in the "Blue" cities. Transportation, Communications and Energy. Suburban manufacturing is the new norm but it's still close to the cities.

...and both Republican and Democratic free trade supporters went hand in hand with corporations and all of them are responsible for the flight of industry to other countries. Remove the incentives for them to be overseas and you'll see some of those jobs come back.

[Ikpeip]

The reason nobody wants to restart all those phone, internet, and cable companies in the Red Areas is because nobody with half a brain wants to live in the "Red Areas" of our country. Poor, Rural and Ignorant is not better.

Oikophobe.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

[Hardy]

The reason nobody wants to restart all those phone, internet, and cable companies in the Red Areas is because nobody with half a brain wants to live in the "Red Areas" of our country. Poor, Rural and Ignorant is not better. As for industry there's a reason it's mostly in the "Blue" cities. Transportation, Communications and Energy. Suburban manufacturing is the new norm but it's still close to the cities

.

State records show that Kansas City’s dropout rate is 16.6 percent, which is one of the worst in the state, but not as high as St. Louis, whose rate is 23.8 percent. Kansas City does have the poorest graduation rate in the state at 57.2 percent. St. Louis is at 62.3 percent.
The state average dropout rate is 3.4 percent and the average graduation rate is 86.7 percent.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/05/33 ... rylink=cpy

Before you give your standard we need to throw more money at the problem walls of text

Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil--more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.

To bad I'm one of those Poor, Rural and Ignorant people living in one of those red areas I guess I would be better educated if I would have grew up in one of those heavily Democrat cities.

[MagicManICT]

Is that Kansas City, Kansas or Kansas City, Missouri? I could believe it for either, but Missouri at least has adequately funded education programs.

There's one of those government services many would like to see end. Funny thing is, because of public education, money is returned in the form of higher GDP (and thus higher tax base). I'm not even sure a study exists showing where various countries would be without a strong public education policy. (Probably do as you have plenty of third world countries without it, but these would be a lot of "what ifs" because you have wildly different policies and economic bases.)

fake edit: Ok, a quick search before I wrote anything probably would have shown me this from one of jorb's favorite sites: http://mises.org/daily/2937/

Good read, not really what I was aiming for, but a start on the search. More later as I find it

Another interesting article: if it's a "free" public education, why are we paying fees for our kids to attend classes? Isn't this what taxes are collected for? http://gawker.com/why-does-it-cost-almo ... -912311949

One more, and closer to what I'm looking for, but still not quite there: http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/HE/economy.pdf Note it is from the NEA (National Education Association) on the economic impact of good public education. May or may not be biased. I'm not qualified enough to make a judgement.

[Ikpeip]

Is that Kansas City, Kansas or Kansas City, Missouri?

...Missouri.

Why didn't you just follow what he linked? It undermines the basis of your post as a response to the points he's making if you're not even going to read the article.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

[Claeyt]

To bad I'm one of those Poor, Rural and Ignorant people living in one of those red areas I guess I would be better educated if I would have grew up in one of those heavily Democrat cities.

Don't forget how many of those smart kids grow up in rural communities and then move to cities.

It's a 3% annual growth rate for urban areas over the population growth nationally which translates to a 12% annual decline for rural areas annually. 80% of people in America now live in or near cities.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/usa-cities-population-idUSL2E8EQ5AJ20120326

On the subject of education I could talk for hours. Poverty is actually a much better determinant of a kid dropping out of school, not minority status or an urban school district.

http://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/indicator/2013/05/poverty-dropouts.aspx

[Ikpeip]

On the subject of education I could talk for hours...

...and somehow, do so without actually saying anything.

Personally,I never let my schooling get in the way of my education.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

[Shill]

On the subject of education I could talk for hours...

...and somehow, do so without actually saying anything.

Personally,I never let my schooling get in the way of my education.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

This, +1.

With Regards,

Shill the Thief

[MagicManICT]

Why didn't you just follow what he linked? It undermines the basis of your post as a response to the points he's making if you're not even going to read the article.

You're right in that I should have just looked at the article. Call me lazy for that. Did it really? I'm from the area. I'm familiar with the Kansas City Star. They provide a different perspective on state politics from the Eagle (Wichita), and is why I read it. Just like every other local paper, their coverage is meh at best (at least in my opinion.) There are reasons that "local" papers like the New York Times and Chicago Tribune became known nationally for their coverage of news.

Check out the news on education funding in Kansas right now. (Part of the reason I didn't look as it has been a political mess in Kansas the last decade or so. The Midwest US is just a hotbed of Tea Party politics right now.) You'll just love that. Guess I should have posted a couple of links on that to being with, as it was more the direction I was aiming for. This is just the most recent article on it: http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/08/304685 ... chool.html. The Kansas Constitution has education funding written into it.

Personally,I never let my schooling get in the way of my education.

And it shows!

[Hardy]

Don't forget how many of those smart kids grow up in rural communities and then move to cities.

It's a 3% annual growthfor urban areas over the population growth nationally which translates to a 12% annual decline for rural areas annually. 80% of people in America now live in or near cities.
rate
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/usa-cities-population-idUSL2E8EQ5AJ20120326

Yes that is true around the Kansas City area also with the key word being near the city if you would like to go back a few pages to the map Darwoth posted that would be all of those bright red squares around the blue.

On the subject of education I could talk for hours. Poverty is actually a much better determinant of a kid dropping out of school, not minority status or an urban school district.

http://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/indicator/2013/05/poverty-dropouts.aspx

But wait then why is the state average for graduation rate and drop out rate better in the other 95% of the state which are all red counties. After all you said those are all Poor, Rural and Ignorant people in those red areas so maybe they need to go back and recheck there facts.