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looking to buy either 50 sulfur rich pumkin seeds ( dont care about purity, ill raise it myself) or enough aspens/autumn golds/baby bears to get 50 seeds rich in sulphur.
if your unsure as to what you have, look at them, and if the blue number is the highest, you have what i need. thanks in advance,

ps.. i will pay 250s for them. or give 3 iron bars, yer choice.
pps.. ill pay 100s for 50 high sulfur cereal seeds also.

What does "sulphur rich" mean if you don't care about purity?

_Gunnar wrote:What does "sulphur rich" mean if you don't care about purity?

it means i would like some seeds that have sulphur as the highest of the 4 alchemical stats, for example 22.5 salt, 25.0 mercury, 30.0 sulphur, 22.5 lead, would be sulpher oriented(rich) seeds.
from what ive read and asked, by regrowing these seeds in the end you would eventually end up with 100% sulphur 0,0,0 on the others, from replanting and raising purity on them over a long time.

this is my goal. the "i dont care about purtiy" part means i dont need seeds that are already at 10,20,30,etc... % purity, im willing to start at 1-2% and grow them myself, and increase the purity by regrowing them over and over myself. generally a set of seeds at 100% purity seems to be going at about 1500-2000s per 50, im not looking for seeds where someone has already done all the work, thats part of the fun for me, is doing it myself. i just dont want to spend a month, growing new world gords, in pots, hopeing to get 4-5 baby bears that are highest in sulphur.

this was why i was willing to pay extra over the going price for pumpkin seeds.

BUT i got some, so now i only need 50 sulphur rich, cereal seeds. so if anyone has some lemme know, ill toss ya 100-150 silver for em.

folks generally want lead and mercury pumpkins, why did you want sulphur?

Darwoth wrote:folks generally want lead and mercury pumpkins, why did you want sulphur?

my goal is to get them at 100% sulphur purity. this would give me 100% chance at 15.5 x purity bonus, points in phlegm. the other 3 in the sulphur row are 0,0,0

from looking at pumpkin pies base stats, they are:

salt: 0.0 - 0.0 - 9.0 - 0.0
mer: 0.0 - 17.5 - 18.0 - 0.0
sulp: 0.0 - 15.5 - 0.0 - 0.0
lead: 16.0 - 12.0 - 0.0 - 0.0

so from how i understand this whole process(and i could be wrong) growing sulphur would be the best way to only raise phlegm. my plan is to pour these out, once at 100% and just use them for phlegm, as i have other things i plan to use for the other humors. granted i would lose, 2 pts by not going murcury, BUT i wouldnt have to contend with the mercury side giveing me more YB than phlegm either , which seems a good trade off to me. this also means i have to grow sulphur oriented cereals for the flour to keep the sulphur content at its highest in the pies (which should be around 81% max) but thats still great for this.

i believe most people use either mercury or lead, so that they only have to contend with one type of cereal. (atleast this is the idea i got from reading sevenless's guide. he specifically pointed out that lead/mrc would be for the people not wanting to do so.

so unless im wrong, which is completely possible as im learning this too atm. the way i plan to do it seems best to me. ill be using mushroom pies to raise both blood and YB with single stat items to fill in the gap for them so im guaranteed the side of them i want, and cabbage cakes (lead based) for the guaranteed lead side gain of +18.0 bb x purity bonus per use, and these pumpkin pies for an 81% or thereabouts chance at 15.5 x purity bonus, increase in phlegm.

best way is to go mercury, for phlegm and yellow bile. then you can eat a string of high purity mercury pies for yellow or a string of high purity mercurys with one or two pies of anything other than mercury of whatever purity at the end to make it land on phlegm.

Darwoth wrote:best way is to go mercury, for phlegm and yellow bile. then you can eat a string of high purity mercury pies for yellow or a string of high purity mercurys with one or two pies of anything other than mercury of whatever purity at the end to make it land on phlegm.

yeah im doing what yer saying except im using the mushroom pie to do the same thing. ushroom to raise blood and YB, instead of pumpkin to raise phlegm and yb. so i can get either from either. although actually come to think of it, if i go mercury with the pumpkins also, then i can eat pumpkin pies for phlegm, and if the mushroom pies are leaning towards the blood side, but i want YB i can then just eat some pumpkin to finish it off, but then i have to find a phlegm high food to couter the pumpkin pies. BUT either way works.

heres a seriously situation altering question though. what is, the maximum purity bonus you can get(the multiplier) from what i have understood, that every 1% purity the item gains a +1 to its multiplier.
note: this is using it as the wiki does, with there being a maximum of 10% TRUE purity on items at 100,0,0,0 in their alchemical stats(the 100 can be any of the 4 stats).

for example a food that is 1% actually pure, (by doing the math on wiki) would give a 1+1 x stat on food, where an item at 30% purity(using the math on wiki) would give a 1+3 x stat on food humor increase,

so for mushroom pies, at 50% true purity(using math again on wiki) if i get the sulphur branch when gluttoned, do i get 5 x 15.5 =100 gain to my phlegm bar in gluttony.

is this correct? because what ive read on purity on the wiki states it this way, and the math backs it up, if its correct., if youve gluttoned some high purity foods please let me know your results. thanks in advance.

This stuff should prolly be in help, but I guess if the mods care they can move it.

You'll find it quite hard (if not impossible? i never had 100% pumpkins, and didnt bother to calculate weights) to get 50% pure pies due to their high water content.

I have little to no idea what you are talking about with your "true purity"; the calculations are on the wiki though

To calculate the raw purity, a number between 0 and 1, use [(Salt^2 + Merc^2 + Sulp^2 + Lead^2)-.25]*(4/3).

To calculate the purity multiplier for humors and skills, use (Salt^2 + Merc^2 + Sulp^2 + Lead^2)*12-2.

source: http://salemwiki.info/index.php/Purity

What Darwoth says is right, having a set of merc fields and another of lead is pretty awesome. However at some point the pies will stop working for yb and blood & you may need some other foods, eg pure http://salemwiki.info/index.php/Dragon's_Breath_Salad for blood and salt http://salemwiki.info/index.php/Cabbage_Crumbs for yb. Phlegm and black bile you can raise absurdly high with any element really.

_Gunnar wrote:
I have little to no idea what you are talking about with your "true purity"; the calculations are on the wiki though

sorry i was trying to differentiate them, there are 2 that youll see, the one on the wiki which mathematically keeps the ratios from 1-10, and then the ender client which does the same but purity is given on a ratio of 1-100. i meant that i was using the iwiki's formula, not the display given in enders mod.

again my entire conversation is based on theoretical math, and a lot of IF's i added in that water would dilute, but if one was using pure 100% pumpkins, and pure 100% flour, both based on the same alchemical agent, (sulphur in this case) that the water dilution would be the only thing limiting the pies from 100%, and would be at most a 25% decrease in purity, or so ive seen by making dough. considering the other foods i plan to use to raise the other stats, i was left with one to raise phlegm. and plegm only. with the pumpkin pies, this led me to see the sulphur line as being the most stable, and best to use for that purpose. i have months of work ahead of me im sure, but i have seen that people who are persistant enough, can get crops to 100% in one alchemical agent(according to what theyve posted), that is the type of person i am, so if it is truly possible, i will get it there. im in no hurry, this game is all about time, and spending it to further everything you do.

granted pumpkin pies done in mercury will raise both phlegm and yellow bar, but that was never part of the question, i have mushroom pies to do that, and really initially didnt see the point in overlapping 2 foods to do the same things. although i will lose approx 2 pts by going sulphur, i chose to do so, because i would have a food, that approx 75%-81.27% (depending on which math is used for water dilution) would give me phlegm, at a 7 x 15.5 rate = 108.5 increase per use. i never plan to go over 150ish or so in humors, so this is just an experiment mainly for me to learn as i go. and at most i would need 2 pies to gain a level, and not have to worry about getting YB instead of phlegm.

this is getting too complex, and too long for an , "i want to buy" thread anyhow hehe and im sure the mods will squash it sooner or later, i have my answers anyhow, so thanks for the comments, i appreciate the info.