MM Tribe Treaty

[Ursus]

As a slave, you are literally owned by someone and can be sold to any other person.

Link below is in fact a form of the slave trade:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6609

The content is always more important than the form.

If you like slavery, become a slave. But do not advise everyone to do the same. It is unethical.

[FutureForJames]

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Pay any tribute without receiving anything in return, and do not have any rights including the right to life, it means to be a slave.
Only a fool would disagree with that, imho.

As a slave, you are literally owned by someone and can be sold to any other person. Usually: you are not allowed to choose where you live, you are not allowed to speak unless your owner has explicitely asked you to speak, you are forced to work for your owner from morning to dawn, you are only allowed to eat the food the owner provides you, you are not allowed to read or educate yourself unless the owner grants permission. If you are a female, you usually also have to be ready to provide sexual services for anyone your owner chooses.¨


Does that sound like the life of a treaty payer ?

Morning til dawn? sounds good to me a few minutes in most cases.. would cut down on treaty payments though..
I didnt know it was limited to females for those types of services... (especially for the Chief)

Yeah, I typed too quickly without thinking. "Dawn to dusk" was of course what I meant.

[Mereni]

You do not know what slavery is, otherwise you wouldn't state something so stupid

Pay any tribute without receiving anything in return, and do not have any rights including the right to life, it means to be a slave.
Only a fool would disagree with that, imho.

But people who pay the treaty DO receive something in return.

The tribe leaves them in peace, much like taxpayers don't have to worry about the government throwing them in jail for dodging taxes.

They get protection from anyone who might raid their claim. That includes rangering services after the fact, stopping the raid in progress if possible, and preemptively attacking any non treaty paying neighbors making the treaty payer nervous.

They get someone safe to trade with. The tribe always needs everything from hay to iron to slotted clothes and will pay good prices without scamming.

Quite a few treaty payers have also asked for help around their bases, mostly with destroying walls and structures they don't have the humors to destroy themselves. If there's someone fairly nearby, as there usually is, the tribe will do that too.

Other than the payment though, treaty payers are left alone if they want to be. No one tells them what to build or where, though sometimes nice bases found abandoned have been pointed out to nearby treaty payers in case they want to move. Does that sound at all like slavery to you? It's not.

You've simply found a word you think is nice and charged with emotion to try to make people mad at the tribe and you're using it with no care for whether the word actually matches reality.

[Marlucia]

You do not know what slavery is, otherwise you wouldn't state something so stupid

Pay any tribute without receiving anything in return, and do not have any rights including the right to life, it means to be a slave.
Only a fool would disagree with that, imho.

But people who pay the treaty DO receive something in return.

The tribe leaves them in peace, much like taxpayers don't have to worry about the government throwing them in jail for dodging taxes.

They get protection from anyone who might raid their claim. That includes rangering services after the fact, stopping the raid in progress if possible, and preemptively attacking any non treaty paying neighbors making the treaty payer nervous.

They get someone safe to trade with. The tribe always needs everything from hay to iron to slotted clothes and will pay good prices without scamming.

Quite a few treaty payers have also asked for help around their bases, mostly with destroying walls and structures they don't have the humors to destroy themselves. If there's someone fairly nearby, as there usually is, the tribe will do that too.

Other than the payment though, treaty payers are left alone if they want to be. No one tells them what to build or where, though sometimes nice bases found abandoned have been pointed out to nearby treaty payers in case they want to move. Does that sound at all like slavery to you? It's not.

You've simply found a word you think is nice and charged with emotion to try to make people mad at the tribe and you're using it with no care for whether the word actually matches reality.

I was about to say the same thing. Paying the treaty provides you with absolute safety and some very good social contacts, all for a very low price. It's not slavery. The tribe is very kind to those who are on their side.

[Lusewing]

My group and I live in as much safety as can be achieved in a game like this by Paying the Tribe their Treaty, and they are happy to wait till someone has fully set up their claim before they start asking for the payment. I have always found them to be very friendly and efficient, completely non-invasive (they only ask for a screenshot of your claim box so they can see your claim's size) and not once bullying. Other groups I know of that pay the Treaty have also said the same things, and just as Mereni said, one group had a great amount of help in removing a wall (or it might have been a gate) that was placed wrong.

If anything is those that do not pay the Treaty that are limited. They have to constantly keep bolstering their defenses and making sure they stay as hidden on the map as possible, often times having to buy and pay for a town bell just to keep their homestead safe - which, more often then not, costs them way more to upkeep then their Treaty payment would be.

I am also free to be more social in this server, having already invited another player to join my area, as well as forming connections with others because if something dose go wrong I know the Tribe would love the chance to gain a few more scalps.

[Ursus]

The tribe leaves them in peace

OMG. I feel sorry for those who think this is a sufficient reason for his madness.
There is no better protection against threats than the own readiness.

Did you know that Russia has left NATO in peace? But why NATO does not pay tribute to Russia?

They get protection from anyone who might raid their claim

Tribe can not give any kind guarantee that the raids will not be performed by anyone. The strength of the tribe is too small for that.
Tribe does not reestablish the structures that was destroyed in the raid. If the raid happened, the tribe does not provide any help.
Sorry, but your arguments is laughable.

They get someone safe to trade with

Tell me when abolished freedom of trade? Did I miss a patch the game?

You've simply found a word you think is nice and charged with emotion to try to make people mad at the tribe and you're using it with no care for whether the word actually matches reality.

You are wrong, I do not have any emotions at all and just found the exact name for the results of the tribe activities.
You bring into the game some disgusting features of the real world.

I am sure that this is the most bright and direct expression of your democracy
And respect for human rights too, of course.

Sadly reality is badly matched with your words.

[Mereni]

There is no better protection against threats than the own readiness.

True, but most players don't have the time or extra people to watch their claim 24/7. And not all want to learn combat or build a strong character for that. At least the tribe is providing an alternative.

Tribe can not give any kind guarantee that the raids will not be performed by anyone. The strength of the tribe is too small for that.
Tribe does not reestablish the structures that was destroyed in the raid. If the raid happened, the tribe does not provide any help.
Sorry, but your arguments is laughable.

The strength of the tribe is not too small for that. They're tireless efforts have kept the Russian group off the server, a group that does a lot of raiding. They have tracked down and delt with other raiders as well, before they can raid treaty payer's claims. I guess the unfortunate thing here is that it's hard to demonstrate how effective the tribe is based on things that didn't happen.

However, you are wrong about the tribe not helping when something does happen to a treaty payer. There are so few raids on Plymouth now that there hasn't been anything on the forums lately, but treaty payers have been raided in the past. The tribe has collected scents, tracked them to the criminal base, destroyed the base, and recovered loot; a generous portion of which was given to the treaty payer to help with recovery. That is what ever ranger offers.

They get someone safe to trade with

Tell me when abolished freedom of trade? Did I miss a patch the game?

I feel like something has to have gotten lost in translation here. Haven't you noticed that some players will offer to sell something, take the money from the barrel, and not give the item in return? Or take the item and refuse to pay the money. It happens a lot and has been the subject of many threads asking for safer trading. Having access to a trader you know won't scam you has nothing to do with free trade. The tribe is well known and has an interest in keeping a good reputation, so it's safe.

You've simply found a word you think is nice and charged with emotion to try to make people mad at the tribe and you're using it with no care for whether the word actually matches reality.

You are wrong, I do not have any emotions at all and just found the exact name for the results of the tribe activities.
You bring into the game some disgusting features of the real world.

I am sure that this is the most bright and direct expression of your democracy
And respect for human rights too, of course.

Sadly reality is badly matched with your words.

Again you're confused or something. I'm not saying you have any emotion regarding slavery though you clearly lie when you say you don't. I'm saying you picked that word because it's emotionally charged. It's inflamatory.

I'm also not sure what you're trying to do here. Are you trying to pretend this game is reality? It's a game and the ability to coerce other people is pretty limited. It's also not really possible to compare a game to the real world, not very well. The tribe is certainly not a democracy and has never claimed to be. If you want to compare it to a real government type, I suppose a Meritocracy is pretty close. Or maybe it's just your prejudice showing.

[Dallane]

They get someone safe to trade with. The tribe always needs everything from hay to iron to slotted clothes and will pay good prices without scamming.

This isn't true at all. The number of times that i have scammed tribe members has always been just a terrible experience as a trader. You guys will low ball like crazy and demand the item 1st. Worst traders ever, almost as bad as those stalls that never sell items.

[Ikpeip]

Tribe can not give any kind guarantee that the raids will not be performed by anyone. The strength of the tribe is too small for that.

Good evening,

Prove it. Raid an active base.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

[colesie]

Tribe can not give any kind guarantee that the raids will not be performed by anyone. The strength of the tribe is too small for that.

Good evening,

Prove it. Raid an active base.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

Dallane and I raid active bases regularly