MM Tribe Treaty

[Claeyt]

When he paid the 70s and promised more, at that point he became a treaty payer. Of course this was negotiated by the raiders and not PMP, but this has been done in the past with other players. From reading this thread, it sounds like this was his first treaty payment, usually people are given a warning if they see a tribe member outside their gates but haven't joined yet. He took the warning and joined the treaty. Only after he admitted to being Russian did the tribesmen then raid his base, even tho they had made the agreement with him. So his loss isn't just the 70s it's also that he was a new treaty member who got hit by the tribe simply because he was Russian.

A fair deal would be to keep the 70s and give him a couple of free months of rent on his place and keep a new Treaty Payer from a different country, instead of driving him into the Russian opposition.

[kulbek]

Alternative offer

1. А couple of free months of rent on his place and keep a new Treaty Payer from a different country
2.you returning me:
50 seeds of cotton(at your discretion)
50 seeds of cereal
15 seeds of cabbage
50 seeds of pumpkin
50 seeds of corn
1 backpack(at your discretion)
3. Give 5 Chests(at your discretion)

[Claeyt]

Alternative offer

1. А couple of free months of rent on his place and keep a new Treaty Payer from a different country
2.you returning me:
50 seeds of cotton(at your discretion)
50 seeds of cereal
15 seeds of cabbage
50 seeds of pumpkin
50 seeds of corn
1 backpack(at your discretion)
3. Give 5 Chests(at your discretion)

Don't get greedy, just buy/make the other stuff and ask for the free rent. At this point they'll never give you anything. I feel your pain, but you have to realize that the MM views you as a raccoon that they just ran over in their car and left bleeding on the side of the road. You're only real hope should be that they don't back up and run over you again. Yes, they hit you after taking a partial treaty payment because you are Russian, get over it and ask for compensation that doesn't cost them anything, like free treaty coverage for 3 months, and then rebuild. I know you're new but eventually chests are nothing, backpacks and seeds are nothing. You'll lose the whole base you found and rebuilt forever if you keep asking for your things back.

[kulbek]

Claeyt, maybe you're right.
Thanks for the helpful tip


Let then the first item in alternative offer will be required. And the remaining 2 are on request(discretion, not required) MM Tribe

[Ikpeip]

Good evening,

When he paid the 70s and promised more, at that point he became a treaty payer.

It is my understanding that the 70s was negotiated as a "don't kill me right now" payment, and not a Treaty payment. The Treaty is affordable, but not so generous to be as low as 70s. As an aside, we also reserve the right to refund payments and cancel Treaty status, if one of the rules are broken (primarily, the rule about not Conspiring Against the Tribe).

Alternative offer

1. А couple of free months of rent on his place and keep a new Treaty Payer from a different country
2.you returning me:
50 seeds of cotton(at your discretion)
50 seeds of cereal
15 seeds of cabbage
50 seeds of pumpkin
50 seeds of corn
1 backpack(at your discretion)
3. Give 5 Chests(at your discretion)

You do not seem to have a good grasp of the situation you are in. I reject your offer, and since you have not accepted my generous offer of a free week to get back on your feet, I am now rescinding it.

As I built the building, repaired the wall, strengthening, and broke the fields, and sowed them, built the boxes and trunks and put his clime, it is my base.

That land is Tribal Land by natural right. That base is the Tribe's property by right of conquest.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

[kulbek]

Good evening,
It is my understanding that the 70s was negotiated as a "don't kill me right now" payment, and not a Treaty payment. The Treaty is affordable, but not so generous to be as low as 70s. As an aside, we also reserve the right to refund payments and cancel Treaty status, if one of the rules are broken (primarily, the rule about not Conspiring Against the Tribe).

You are not right. The conditions were the following:
1. I pay a monthly tribute and also now pay a fee
2. I am a friend/ally MM Tribe
3. MM Tribe does not destroy my settlement and does not kill me.

I could easily escape, for locked Khaztropix in my settlement.
however, I was left to deal with him.

You do not seem to have a good grasp of the situation you are in. I reject your offer, and since you have not accepted my generous offer of a free week to get back on your feet, I am now rescinding it.

I'm in the previous message even went to You to make concessions leaving only 1 point. still you rejected. Apparently You have not value the honor of your organization .

That land is Tribal Land by natural right. That base is the Tribe's property by right of conquest.

it is a lie. On it wasnt written, that it is Yours.

[Claeyt]

Good evening,

It is my understanding that the 70s was negotiated as a "don't kill me right now" payment, and not a Treaty payment. The Treaty is affordable, but not so generous to be as low as 70s. As an aside, we also reserve the right to refund payments and cancel Treaty status, if one of the rules are broken (primarily, the rule about not Conspiring Against the Tribe).

...yet

I was the one who killed you. You said you didn't read the forums and it was going to be more trouble than it was worth to sign you up as a treaty payer.
You may not be of Russian nationality but the second you start speaking Russian in area chat, you are asking to be killed.

1. Yet he killed him anyways after taking the 70s?
2. Clearly the Player hadn't read the forums, yet was willing to pay the treaty. I get that your raiders/collectors aren't the most charitable of characters, but this was a little extreme. I don't know how many posts I've read of people who have posted about not having read the forum and being required to post as part of their treaty payment. This player agreed to this then was run over anyways just because he's Russian.
3. He's now only asking for 3 free months of treaty payments because of Khaz's over exuberance, what is that like 400s maybe for his little claim. It's 400s your not going to get anyways if he goes and finds a Russian town to join (If there are any left up there) that's against the treaty.

You do not seem to have a good grasp of the situation you are in. I reject your offer, and since you have not accepted my generous offer of a free week to get back on your feet, I am now rescinding it.

He clearly is a brand new player, so of course he doesn't know what he's doing. No wonder all the new players up there aren't in favor of the treaty. Meanwhile Roanoke is now twice as big as Plymouth because all of them are moving down here. It seems like you could recruit this guy with a simple offer, and gain money in future payments.

That land is Tribal Land by natural right. That base is the Tribe's property by right of conquest.

He's right on this too, If you don't want anybody to claim a formerly raided village then put up a sign. This guy found this abandoned base with no sign and no claim up. He was willing to pay the treaty once he found out about it, then was killed because he was a Russian. You guys need to tone it down if you want the international crowd to join the treaty, or are you guys simply at war with all Russians. You should state that here and now for all the new Russian players reading about the treaty for the first time.

[kulbek]

Claeyt, thank you very much

[Khaztropix]

Good evening,

It is my understanding that the 70s was negotiated as a "don't kill me right now" payment, and not a Treaty payment. The Treaty is affordable, but not so generous to be as low as 70s. As an aside, we also reserve the right to refund payments and cancel Treaty status, if one of the rules are broken (primarily, the rule about not Conspiring Against the Tribe).

...yet

I was the one who killed you. You said you didn't read the forums and it was going to be more trouble than it was worth to sign you up as a treaty payer.
You may not be of Russian nationality but the second you start speaking Russian in area chat, you are asking to be killed.

1. Yet he killed him anyways after taking the 70s?
2. Clearly the Player hadn't read the forums, yet was willing to pay the treaty. I get that your raiders/collectors aren't the most charitable of characters, but this was a little extreme. I don't know how many posts I've read of people who have posted about not having read the forum and being required to post as part of their treaty payment. This player agreed to this then was run over anyways just because he's Russian.
3. He's now only asking for 3 free months of treaty payments because of Khaz's over exuberance, what is that like 400s maybe for his little claim. It's 400s your not going to get anyways if he goes and finds a Russian town to join (If there are any left up there) that's against the treaty.

You do not seem to have a good grasp of the situation you are in. I reject your offer, and since you have not accepted my generous offer of a free week to get back on your feet, I am now rescinding it.

He clearly is a brand new player, so of course he doesn't know what he's doing. No wonder all the new players up there aren't in favor of the treaty. Meanwhile Roanoke is now twice as big as Plymouth because all of them are moving down here. It seems like you could recruit this guy with a simple offer, and gain money in future payments.

That land is Tribal Land by natural right. That base is the Tribe's property by right of conquest.

He's right on this too, If you don't want anybody to claim a formerly raided village then put up a sign. This guy found this abandoned base with no sign and no claim up. He was willing to pay the treaty once he found out about it, then was killed because he was a Russian. You guys need to tone it down if you want the international crowd to join the treaty, or are you guys simply at war with all Russians. You should state that here and now for all the new Russian players reading about the treaty for the first time.

You are almost as retarded as this Russian...

This guy was already in violation of Article III, V, and VII of the treaty when I arrived. Additionally, he was already aware of the Tribe before our dealings but had not contacted the Paymaster to arrange for payment. Finally, just because the you put 70s in a crate before you get KO'd doesn't make you a treaty payer and it certainly isn't going to stop me from killing you.

He will receive no reparations for damages and the Paymaster has already offered him a one week grace period to begin making his treaty payment.

[Ikpeip]

Good evening,

1. Yet he killed him anyways after taking the 70s?
2. Clearly the Player hadn't read the forums, yet was willing to pay the treaty. I get that your raiders/collectors aren't the most charitable of characters, but this was a little extreme. I don't know how many posts I've read of people who have posted about not having read the forum and being required to post as part of their treaty payment. This player agreed to this then was run over anyways just because he's Russian.
3. He's now only asking for 3 free months of treaty payments because of Khaz's over exuberance, what is that like 400s maybe for his little claim. It's 400s your not going to get anyways if he goes and finds a Russian town to join (If there are any left up there) that's against the treaty.

My responses, in the same order:
1. The player was KO'd prior to the transfer of funds
2. Some Braves will show leniency, some will not. The Prince of the Gingerbread Men is not known for his mercy. I'm not going to second-guess his assessment of the situation
3. I am not Santa Clause.

He clearly is a brand new player, so of course he doesn't know what he's doing. No wonder all the new players up there aren't in favor of the treaty. Meanwhile Roanoke is now twice as big as Plymouth because all of them are moving down here. It seems like you could recruit this guy with a simple offer, and gain money in future payments.

The eradication of our enemies will, of course, result in a lower population on Plymouth.

While it is true we might get currency in the future from this fellow were he brought into the Treaty, this is not the only factor I am considering. The primary purpose of the Treaty is not to obtain and amass silver.

He's right on this too, If you don't want anybody to claim a formerly raided village then put up a sign. This guy found this abandoned base with no sign and no claim up. He was willing to pay the treaty once he found out about it, then was killed because he was a Russian. You guys need to tone it down if you want the international crowd to join the treaty, or are you guys simply at war with all Russians. You should state that here and now for all the new Russian players reading about the treaty for the first time.

A razed base is not the same thing as an abandoned base. While I appreciate your input on the tone we need to set, you and I are working from different sets of knowledge on the makeup of our Treaty members. We are not at war with all Russians. We have Russians who pay the Treaty and have very beneficial relationships with the Tribe. But it is true that if you are Russian, you may need to work a bit harder to stay alive during initial contact. Speaking Russian to a stranger in Salem, especially after conversing with them in English, can rightfully be interpretted as an intimidation technique. We take a harder line with Russians because they have the potential to be more competent and less cowardly than your standard anti-Treaty forum warrior.

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster