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Re: Russians

Postby thl111 » Sat May 18, 2013 6:39 am

Russia was fighting alone against the powerful nations of Europe. Coalition forces captured Sevastopol (a third-fortress), we have taken a major city of Kars. And it provided that our armed forces have been worse.

The fact that the war ended without major territorial changes for Russia, it is a victory ... is the victory of the Russian people.

The most significant as the Russian monks of Solovki monastery repelled the attack of British troops.

Victory can be claimed by both sides. The British and her allies could boast a strategic victory which prevented the expansion of Russian Empire and saved the Ottoman Empire. And I doubt that back then, it was claimed victory of the Russian people :P.
About Russia's huge reserve and the ability to throw in mass after mass of cannon fodder, peasant soldiers, let's talk about the Eastern Front during WWI. Most of human losses during that time were combatants and russians take a major part in that statistic. Civilian casualties were around 2 million and most of it was due to famine and disease while only 6k odd in military operation. While total casualty of combatants is 9.15 million, the highest number in all participants of the war. So, I agree that Russia is strong but mostly in sheer number and vast steppe. After all, your war plans have always been deep strategic withdraws followed up with counter offensives.
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Re: Russians

Postby Claeyt » Sat May 18, 2013 6:45 am

kulbek wrote:
thl111 wrote: Russian was the loser in Russo-Japanese war and that was a crying shame.


Actually the Russian-Japanese war was lost just because there was a revolution in Russia.

Russia is really invincible country. My ancestors as hereditary military took part in the conquest of various countries. Over the past 200 years they have participated in the capture of: Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, Vienna and many other European and non-European cities.


You know the old saying: God created vodka so that Russians wouldn't rule the earth. :D

As for Russia having never been defeated, that's just pure nonsense:

Afghanistan is of course the modern pimple on the face of that theory.

...as for the 40 years between their humiliation by the Japanese navy and their reconquest of Manchuria and the Far East, well by those standards their loss of 20% of their territory under the Soviet Union would have to count right. How many countries conquered by the Russian Czars in the last 200 years are no longer under Russian control due to the breakup of the USSR. And of course you may have helped to capture Paris, but Napoleon did take Moscow.

If you're going to include the Russian victory over the Tartars and Mongol Kingdoms over 500 years, then you'd have to admit defeat of the Orthodox Christian armies to various Ottoman and Muslim armies over the last 1000 years also. Russia will never triumph until Constantinople is recaptured, right? Or does that matter anymore now that you no longer have a port on the Black Sea that you aren't paying rent on. :lol:

Needless to say, Russia is shrinking both politically and in population. Just as America has lost it's shine since the end of the Cold War, Russia is fading also, but more so. Americans are idiots for jingoistic nationalism, and Russia is also falling into the trap of Nation above all, as seen on this thread.

As for Russians in Salem. I think its more of a language thing. Russians are the largest group outside of the Americans and they speak less English than most of the other Europeans so they tend to band together. They're generally as nice as the Americans in my opinion. Some like to raid and some just want to cook and farm.
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Re: Russians

Postby thl111 » Sat May 18, 2013 6:50 am

You have to admit it's quite an effort to band up and zerg people like they do. Maybe non-russian community should learn from them. ¦]
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Re: Russians

Postby darnokpl » Sat May 18, 2013 7:05 am

thl111 wrote:You have to admit it's quite an effort to band up and zerg people like they do. Maybe non-russian community should learn from them. ¦]


+1 true, problem is to find 10+ people that would want to try it when new server starts :cry:
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Re: Russians

Postby Dallane » Sat May 18, 2013 7:08 am

darnokpl wrote:
thl111 wrote:You have to admit it's quite an effort to band up and zerg people like they do. Maybe non-russian community should learn from them. ¦]


+1 true, problem is to find 10+ people that would want to try it when new server starts :cry:


message most of the vets and its not a problem at all.
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Re: Russians

Postby kulbek » Sat May 18, 2013 7:14 am

Claeyt wrote:
You know the old saying: God created vodka so that Russians wouldn't rule the earth. :D

I have not heard such a statement. In fact a lot of Russians don't drink alcoholic beverages.

Claeyt wrote:Afghanistan is of course the modern pimple on the face of that theory.


In fact, the war in Afghanistan was not aggressive, but we wanted to bring them communism, freedom. But given that we have abandoned the Communist ideology(perestroika began in 1987), and the meaning of the war was lost. That's why we brought the troops.


Claeyt wrote:. And of course you may have helped to capture Paris, but Napoleon did take Moscow.

Moscow was not the capital of the Russian Empire. Paris was the capital of France

Claeyt wrote:If you're going to include the Russian victory over the Tartars and Mongol Kingdoms over 500 years, then you'd have to admit defeat of the Orthodox Christian armies to various Ottoman and Muslim armies over the last 1000 years also. Russia will never triumph until Constantinople is recaptured, right? Or does that matter anymore now that you no longer have a port on the Black Sea that you aren't paying rent on. :lol:

And a lot was the victories of the Turkish and Muslim armies over Russian?! Also I would like to note that the Russian army will always been a multiethnic and multi-confessional.
Claeyt wrote:Needless to say, Russia is shrinking both politically and in population. Just as America has lost it's shine since the end of the Cold War, Russia is fading also, but more so. Americans are idiots for jingoistic nationalism, and Russia is also falling into the trap of Nation above all, as seen on this thread.
In fact the number is growing in Russia at the expense of refugees from neighbouring countries.
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Re: Russians

Postby Jalpha » Sat May 18, 2013 7:18 am

Kulbek... Noboddy cares. This is Salem not the motherland.
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Re: Russians

Postby dageir » Sat May 18, 2013 7:24 am

kulbek wrote:
In fact, the war in Afghanistan was not aggressive, but we wanted to bring them communism, freedom. But given that we have abandoned the Communist ideology(perestroika began in 1987), and the meaning of the war was lost. That's why we brought the troops.


So the invasion of a country is not considered aggressive? That is strange. Also communism= freedom is perhaps debatable? You had been at war with the afghan war lords (including Al-Qaida) for almost as long as the the americans has. Why the americans had to go into Afghanistan in force instead of small spec ops, I dont know but it goes to show that you cant make the afghans kneel by just showing up with some guys. If the americans should have a chance of "conquering" Afghanistan, the gauntlets of civilty, humanity and human rights must be thrown away like they were against Germany and Japan. But that is total war and total war is not popular in the electorate. (Same problem as with Vietnam.)
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Re: Russians

Postby kulbek » Sat May 18, 2013 7:37 am

dageir wrote:So the invasion of a country is not considered aggressive? )


There was no invasion
In March of 1979, during the riots in the city of Herat, followed by the first request of the Afghan authorities about the direct Soviet military intervention (all such requests was about 20)


Afghans themselves asked for assistance.

dageir wrote:That is strange. Also communism= freedom is perhaps debatable? )

Yes, communism is freedom and democracy.
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Re: Russians

Postby Tamasin » Sat May 18, 2013 7:58 am

kulbek wrote:Yes, communism is freedom and democracy.


this is your opinion, but in fact the matter is certainly debatable
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