Tribe Killing Foreign Payers?

[colesie]

As you can see there is two versions of the image shown in the OP: http://i.imgur.com/9hOEAM6.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/wImF3Pn.jpg . The first is the one from the link, it roughly 5x smaller than the image in the OP (http://i.imgur.com/wImF3Pn.jpg) Only one image, the smaller on is mentioned in the chat log, meaning it seems Colesie had access to a larger version of the image ( if he expanded the image shown in the chat log to be 5x larger it would have become pixelated.) There are explanations of course, there could be more to the chat log then what is shown or as I'm not familiar with imgur I could be missing something here.

The original image was sent to me as the link and I then saved it and reuploaded for the BB code, also when I open both of those links I get the same size image lol

It might also be good to note that there is no French language imgur, the person in the chat seems to be French and speak English poorly but uses a English language image hosting service. Not unthinkable, but a little weird.

Imgur is a very well-known image hosting site, if you were to google for a site to host your images it would be very high on the suggested list

It reads 12.15 on the forums as I write this. (UTC DST)
Imgur reads that both images were uploaded 17 hours ago, ( it just changed from 16 to 15 meaning it was probably uploaded about 7.15 forum time (FT).
The OP was created at 7.27 FT implying roughly 15 min give or take passed between the uploading of the image and the thread being created.

Of course, I was talking to the person at the time. I had to remove their name from the OP etc etc + it was a casual conversation for me. Wasn't really rushing to post for him or anything lol

Colesie's time zone is EDT
So if the forum reads 12 Forum Time it is 7 EDT (UTC DST - 5). So when the thread was created (7.27 FT) it should have been 2.27 EDT. And the image having been uploaded around 2.15 EDT

I don't know much about the forum time, it seems pretty random to me most of the time lol. I'm EST though

The chat log reads:
(2:26:20 AM) : screen picture comes soon
(2:31:46 AM) : http://i.imgur.com/9hOEAM6.jpg

Colesie posted that he updated the OP at 7.35 FT or 2.35 EDT. Though his OP doesn't say it was edited, he is a mod and mod edited posts don't seem to show up as edited. This seems to fit perfectly with the times he is claiming to have received the pictures, which makes me think he isn't playing anyone, or at the very least is going way out of his way to make sure it seems real.

Yes, as I was making the post I was also waiting on the screenshot. The screen was then editted in once I got it but mod edits do not show you are correct.

The fact that the image was uploaded earlier that the chat seems to indicated seems a bit odd to me though. If I had to guess I'd say someone was trying to play Colesie.

The image was uploaded seconds before I posted it onto this thread, when the person on the other end uploaded I do not know. I would assume shortly before mine.

[sabinati]

bunch of peasants in this thread

[Mereni]

Picture that was sent to me to avoid having to look for the link in the text

Okay, image quoted and spoilered above for reference, but I've been looking at this debate and this image and wondering why this is even a thread.
I know many of you haven't raided in awhile, but this base is obviously a setup, and Coles is either a willing participant in the ruse, or a dupe.

Here's what I think happened:

Someone found a base that had been broken into pre-splash. Yes, pre-splash, look at those gates. I really doubt he took the time, or had the time, to repair/rebuild those cornerposts while the braziers were still lit from a recent raid. Those only stay lit a few minutes. This pre-splash raided base was probably in some disrepair and all those chests were probably already off claim.

Whoever this person is repaired a few of the decayed things around the base, added some braziers, committed some crimes with an alt so that the scents would show up, added one coal to each brazier, kicked a wall or something to get them lit, and ran off, while the main stayed behind to take some pics.

My guess is, this is either someone simply hoping to discredit the tribe, or someone hoping to lure a brave or two to the base to try to trap and kill them, or both. This would not be the first time someone tried an elaborate trick to attempt to kill a tribe member. I doubt this attempt will be any more successful than the first.

A few things to notice that make it clear this was not a tribe hit:

First, every treaty payer has a recognizable mark they put on their base in addition to providing a screenshot, to keep accidents to a minimum. This mark is not present.

Second, not only is there no splash damage visible, the cornerposts are still up. With alt blocking being a thing, no raider in their right mind is going to leave a hole less than 4 across to leave by. Look at the recent mushville thread for an example, you can drive a wagon train through that hole.

Third, the braziers are still there, undamaged, with chests pulled off the claim. No one does that. No one pulls loot off before the braziers are at least deactivated. Especially not now, with braziers doing irreparable damage to max stats.

Fourth, look at any tribe raid thread, you'll see that braziers are always destroyed completely, along with houses, before any loot is removed.

Fifth, some people are OCD about this stuff, and leanto's are always built at a right angle. Not to mention the fact that chests are usually arranged in neat rows to help with the loot porting and because of that OCD.

Sixth, where's the lookout?

[colesie]

I actually didn't notice the splash damage bit
Interesting, I suppose it is possible he had been logging on to repair while talking to me but it's still fairly odd

[Mereni]

I suppose it is possible he had been logging on to repair while talking to me but it's still fairly odd

A lot more than 'fairly', I'd say.

the cornerposts are still up. With alt blocking being a thing, no raider in their right mind is going to leave a hole less than 4 across to leave by. Look at the recent mushville thread for an example, you can drive a wagon train through that hole.

[Gallient]

I actually didn't notice the splash damage bit
Interesting, I suppose it is possible he had been logging on to repair while talking to me but it's still fairly odd

So current theory is that he bothered repairing cornerposts, braziers, reloaded screen to somehow leave out the scents that would be present at door, but he couldn't be bothered to coal up braziers or fix the holes in the wall or anything else that would have actually helped his "defense"?

[colesie]

I actually didn't notice the splash damage bit
Interesting, I suppose it is possible he had been logging on to repair while talking to me but it's still fairly odd

So current theory is that he bothered repairing cornerposts, braziers, reloaded screen to somehow leave out the scents that would be present at door, but he couldn't be bothered to coal up braziers or fix the holes in the wall or anything else that would have actually helped his "defense"?

Must say his story has gotten a little convoluted after he decided to include the picture. I suppose it could be possible that he came outside of the house and repaired the walls and took the picture, meaning that the scents may not have all shown up on the first go. But I agree it's a little hard to swallow. Again though, I did state that it could have been someone ***** with me
I am satisfied with the tribe's analysis though, if the raided person was actually raided he sort of shot himself in the foot by doing whatever it is that he may have done

[Mereni]

I'm also wondering where all those chests USED to be? I see a ton of clay urns still on the base, none outside. Bunch of chests outside, none inside. Raiders don't pull off selectively like that. They take what's closest to the gate first, and move on from there. There are also so many urns inside, I wonder where there was room for the chests, assuming they were on the claim before the alleged raid.

[Ikpeip]

I actually didn't notice the splash damage bit
Interesting, I suppose it is possible he had been logging on to repair while talking to me but it's still fairly odd

Good evening,

It is indeed odd. It's almost as if someone without much raiding experience, and a complete lack of scruples, is fabricating stories and spreading misinformation.

Who do we know with a history of lying, and an incomplete knowledge of base defense/siege mechanics?

Faithfully,

-Paul the Paymaster

[colesie]

I've clearly stated that the person may have been messing with me so the thread is to be taken with a grain of salt

I am going to lock this thread for now, no point arguing something I have no first-hand information on. If the raided person cares to message me again or post here themselves I'll unlock it for them to do so but I can't see this being solved without them present