MM Tribe Accepts Surrender - Jordan Coles Apologises!!

[FutureForJames]

Propaganda and manipulation is not trolling.
There is also no way to control whether something in a politics section of forum is or isn't true/trolling by moderation.

You can very much use trolling as a propaganda tool and for manipulation. A troll is not interested in rational and fruitful discussion. Trolling is an effective tool to disrupt any such discussion as well.

[colesie]

So wait a minute,

1. The Chief says Coles surrendered, gave up scents for two recent kills that already happened, apologized in a voice recording, and gets to keep his place.

Recording came from a long time ago, about 1 month into my first treaty payment or something, they came to my walls with a bunch of larping bs reasons for breaking their treaty and raiding me. Needing more time to build up my bases's defenses I said ***** it and told them what they wanted. The end result was another few walls and full rows of braziers along with a v claim.

2. Then Coles denies this, says the tribe gave up on the seige, and that he never had any scents.

I have not left a scent since Jan 20th, 2013. As I have said. If I had left another scent, my character would have been dead by now. My leanto is out randomly in the wilderness right now

First off, If what the Chief says is true, this seems like very little punishment for all Coles has done to the tribe: Selling Reelak's stolen seeds, being part of the resistance, supporting Mushi. Coles has admitted that he has given up on keeping the base. It just doesn't seem right. Is he paying the treaty again? Is he Rangering for you again? You can't just let him get off scott free, can you? Especially after he's now denying that he ever surrendered.

No, I am not paying the treaty and no I do not currently live in that base. The only character inside of the base is the p claim owner alt. The tribe gave up their assault on my base after we nearly trapped one of their high-humoured braves inside with alt tactics. He managed to jump out but since they knew we'd logged out alts at every side of the wall to block again they decided to give up, break their waste claim and then make this thread. I do not live there but why would I give up the chance to trap and KO some braves? I'd gladly run a couple of hours back to my base to murder some braves and trade characters

Second, besides the scetchyness of the Chief's thread after all this, can any of us really believe that the Chief would ever agree to let Coles live and keep his place for a couple of scents, and some voice recording. A giant pile of his 5/5/5/5 Alt skeletons surrounding your waste claim just doesn't have that feel of finality for me if you haven't killed him or taken the base.

They knew they wouldn't get in without being KO'd

Thirdly, although this seems like a ploy by the Chief for the purpose of counter-insurgency, to lure Coles into a false sense of security and to divide the Resistance; maybe, just maybe, it's a secret deal for Coles to turn spy for the Tribe. But I mean really, after the whole Reelak betrayal, can the Tribe really ever trust Coles again.

No, and no

My guess is the Tribe couldn't breach the Fort, pulled back temporarily, and will have to Townbell it, Russian style, or come back with more people and give it another go. I won't believe it until I see Coles say he surrendered in a post. I'll be looking for a screen shot of Colesie's base down to rubble.

My base has a townbell already. "Melsonian Liberation Army". And I'll be waiting for those screens too because it's no loss for me other than the building time (done over the course of 3 months casually) with the potential of getting some brave kills

I did not surrender, they left after a long night of failure

[Khaztropix]

I did not surrender, they left after a long night of failure

Here we go again...

I really shouldn't be surprised that you are right back to 'talking ****, ya know', less than 12 hours after your apology and surrender.

[Trenial]

Since the recording of the apology was deemed to be in violation of the forum rules by the mods, feel free to PM me or Chief in IRC to hear it.

I have a screenshot of the UN-ABUSED OP. Like Khaz said, PM me in IRC for link.

[Claeyt]

So wait a minute,

1. The Chief says Coles surrendered, gave up scents for two recent kills that already happened, apologized in a voice recording, and gets to keep his place.

Recording came from a long time ago, about 1 month into my first treaty payment or something, they came to my walls with a bunch of larping bs reasons for breaking their treaty and raiding me. Needing more time to build up my bases's defenses I said ***** it and told them what they wanted. The end result was another few walls and full rows of braziers along with a v claim.

2. Then Coles denies this, says the tribe gave up on the seige, and that he never had any scents.

I have not left a scent since Jan 20th, 2013. As I have said. If I had left another scent, my character would have been dead by now. My leanto is out randomly in the wilderness right now

First off, If what the Chief says is true, this seems like very little punishment for all Coles has done to the tribe: Selling Reelak's stolen seeds, being part of the resistance, supporting Mushi. Coles has admitted that he has given up on keeping the base. It just doesn't seem right. Is he paying the treaty again? Is he Rangering for you again? You can't just let him get off scott free, can you? Especially after he's now denying that he ever surrendered.

No, I am not paying the treaty and no I do not currently live in that base. The only character inside of the base is the p claim owner alt. The tribe gave up their assault on my base after we nearly trapped one of their high-humoured braves inside with alt tactics. He managed to jump out but since they knew we'd logged out alts at every side of the wall to block again they decided to give up, break their waste claim and then make this thread. I do not live there but why would I give up the chance to trap and KO some braves? I'd gladly run a couple of hours back to my base to murder some braves and trade characters

Second, besides the scetchyness of the Chief's thread after all this, can any of us really believe that the Chief would ever agree to let Coles live and keep his place for a couple of scents, and some voice recording. A giant pile of his 5/5/5/5 Alt skeletons surrounding your waste claim just doesn't have that feel of finality for me if you haven't killed him or taken the base.

They knew they wouldn't get in without being KO'd

Thirdly, although this seems like a ploy by the Chief for the purpose of counter-insurgency, to lure Coles into a false sense of security and to divide the Resistance; maybe, just maybe, it's a secret deal for Coles to turn spy for the Tribe. But I mean really, after the whole Reelak betrayal, can the Tribe really ever trust Coles again.

No, and no

My guess is the Tribe couldn't breach the Fort, pulled back temporarily, and will have to Townbell it, Russian style, or come back with more people and give it another go. I won't believe it until I see Coles say he surrendered in a post. I'll be looking for a screen shot of Colesie's base down to rubble.

My base has a townbell already. "Melsonian Liberation Army". And I'll be waiting for those screens too because it's no loss for me other than the building time (done over the course of 3 months casually) with the potential of getting some brave kills

I did not surrender, they left after a long night of failure

Well, he doesn't seem like a resistance fighter who's surrendered Chief. Your move now.

1. Why does Colesie deny his surrender? Is he lying or are you?
2. Did you lie about his surrender for intelligence purposes, to disrupt and breed conflict within the resistance, or just to save face for the Tribe after failing to take out his town?
3. Can you take out his town, or have we seen the maximum capability of the Tribe under these siege rules now in place?

We all eagerly await your answers to these questions or screenshots of the ''Melsonian Liberation Army'' base cleared of "Rebel scum". Your treaty's significance in Plymouth may hang in the balance. If you can't take out Colesie there your treaty payers surrounding Colesie will continue to get raided. Who else can't you take out on Plymouth? You'll never take Gingerbread Man's base in Roanoke from the Russian when the servers open up, I'll tell you that much. If they've townbelled the middle of that fort, it's stronger than the "MLA" base with twice the braziers.

[Ornery]

A waste claim + 8ish hours from multiple tribe members for no gain is clearly a win and I won't have you insinuate the chief would lie about such a thing. Shameful and libelous.

[Khaztropix]

A waste claim + 8ish hours from multiple tribe members for no gain is clearly a win and I won't have you insinuate the chief would lie about such a thing. Shameful and libelous.

Thank you for your support. Please make sure to PM Paymaster Paul to make your treaty payment.

[Ornery]

The chief delivers my payment to me personally each month on the 1st, so no worries. You're still fine for another month.

[Glennfinnan]

Here we go again...

I really shouldn't be surprised that you are right back to 'talking ****, ya know', less than 12 hours after your apology and surrender.

That's really dumb of Coles then. I think that the Tribe should put up another waste claim and show no mercy this time then. Awaiting screenshots.

[jwhitehorn]

That's really dumb of Coles then. I think that the Tribe should put up another waste claim and show no mercy this time then. Awaiting screenshots.

If Coles is really planning to conspire against the Tribe again then it will be considered. For now we are allowing him the time he requested to "think" about what he is doing in-game and make a decision on how he wants to move forward. Clearly his actions are not matching his words as we heard in the sound file.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe