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Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:04 am
by tweenprinc3ss
Hello everyone. For the past month I have been having a lot of fun with a thief character. I worked this toon up while doing other things, and found myself with someone who had Larceny, but very low humours. I expected to have little success in my meanderings looking for trouble with humours <20, but to my surprise, I have been quite successful! Since starting, I have been able to not only raise my humours much higher on stolen food, but have been able to raise another character to Larceny! Every step of the way, every base I have been able to hit, has been due to the complete laziness, or idiocy of the owners. Thus this guide. I am hoping to take my new found knowledge of the crime system, and give some no brainer pointers to the newbs of Salem. Let me just start by saying, I in no way consider myself to be an expert. The things I have learned have been through forum prowling and experimentation. If you notice I have said something in error, Please do not simply troll, but add some pertinent information.

So with out further delay, Let me present you with a short but sweet guide to WHAT NOT TO DO with base design.

Now this is not really fair, as the shot was taken before the latest patch. Now that they have added the Makeshift Fence, no noob should be caught without some kind of protection. Believe it or not, this guy had 2 chests of logs, charms, and many other inspirationals that went along way towards getting this petty thief off the ground.
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Ok, this one blew my mind. Theses guys have farms, a mine, and a smelter with a bunch of boxes inside this wooden fence. Now first, if you can make a wooden fence, you can make a stone one. One will protect you from a wide range of roving miscreants, one will protect you from only the most noobish of thieves. When you DO build a wall, please spend the extra 40s to ensure that your walls are on your claim. This was after the patch increased the toughness of walls, and had they been on the claim, it would have made this heist take more time than it would probably have been worth.
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This one is my favorite. Now compaired to a lot of pro's out there, this operation seems quite small. This claim was pretty nice though, as it is all inclusive. Farms, mine, smelter. Everything a budding newb needs to thrive. Now, as you can see they went as far as building a single brazier to defend this homestead. However, you can also see that the claim is quite long, and the brazier did not even begin to cover all of the walls on this base. Thus, I was able to breach the walls without taking fire from the single brazier, until I was already loaded up with the 1.5 chests of iron bars they had in the house. Now, if you have 35 or so Iron in a chest in your house, You should damn well have enough braziers to cover your walls. Remember, A brazier has a range of around 23 tiles, I stick to about 20 to be safe. In this particular case, these 2 guys both popped in later each wearing the doctor masks. They were clearly advanced enough, and have invested enough time into the claim, to have built some stone walls. People may flame stone walls (Tho less now since they were beefed up) but do not be fooled. These will keep out many a theiving riff raff, leaving you only fearing more powerful opponents.
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Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:08 am
by tweenprinc3ss
Finally, This final shot shows you what not to do when you find yourself having been robbed. Do not, under any circumstances, retaliate and leave scents for a thief and then proceed to afk RIGHT INSIDE YOUR GATE with it OPEN. You will not like the results.
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Seriously everyone, just use some common sense in your base designs, and you will protect yourself against a lot of evil-doers. Also, read the forums. Credit must be given where credit is due. The MM Tribe posts are packed with valuable information about what to do, and what not to do. For that, My thanks to you and yours Cheif! Thanks everyone, might have bored some of you, hopefully at least one squatter learns something...

Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:18 am
by Fortune
they should get a stonehenge, looks better

Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:39 pm
by datass
how you didnt leave evidences?

Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:37 am
by Wournos
Nice pointers.
What if someone is building walls while flattening ground (long process)? Would you recommend setting up the makeshift fence around the claim and slowly replace parts with better walls, or just leave the area open? I have little to no impressive storage and wouldn't exactly miss it all if anything went missing.

Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:59 am
by dageir
I couldnt see what server you are on. If you are on Plymouth this might be a bad idea for obvious reasons. At least if you didnt pay tribute. Im not usre how the tribe deals with crimes within the traty paying population.

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Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:15 am
by Wournos
I'm not on Plymouth. :)

Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:09 pm
by robert
Wournos wrote:Nice pointers.
What if someone is building walls while flattening ground (long process)? Would you recommend setting up the makeshift fence around the claim and slowly replace parts with better walls, or just leave the area open? I have little to no impressive storage and wouldn't exactly miss it all if anything went missing.

with the new wall update i would say built a small split rail around your place while leveling the outer rim for stone/plank. before the update i would have said fk any wall that was not stone or plank, but we now have makeshift fences and wall hp upgrade so a split rail should be semi useful for keeping the more noobish raiders out, or very least make it less likely they would bother. also do not stock pile items until you have walls and are starting in on blazers or at least torch posts. as walls do not have an attack rating lol its not good to rely on just them.

just make sure when you are leveling land to build the walls away from that area, as they will prevent leveling of ground in most cases. you could also do the typical alt bank spam to store iron goods or more specialized items you dont want stolen (crops/curios/clothes ect)

Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:33 am
by Wournos
robert wrote:
Wournos wrote:Nice pointers.
What if someone is building walls while flattening ground (long process)? Would you recommend setting up the makeshift fence around the claim and slowly replace parts with better walls, or just leave the area open? I have little to no impressive storage and wouldn't exactly miss it all if anything went missing.

with the new wall update i would say built a small split rail around your place while leveling the outer rim for stone/plank. before the update i would have said fk any wall that was not stone or plank, but we now have makeshift fences and wall hp upgrade so a split rail should be semi useful for keeping the more noobish raiders out, or very least make it less likely they would bother. also do not stock pile items until you have walls and are starting in on blazers or at least torch posts. as walls do not have an attack rating lol its not good to rely on just them.

just make sure when you are leveling land to build the walls away from that area, as they will prevent leveling of ground in most cases. you could also do the typical alt bank spam to store iron goods or more specialized items you dont want stolen (crops/curios/clothes ect)

Thanks for the pointers. I've done most of this but was unsure about the whole wall thing since I've read a few comments elsewhere saying split-rail was **** and waste of time and wood. But I guess that was before the wall update.

Re: Beginner's tips for base defense...

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:49 am
by Vibe
Don't even bother with makeshift/wooden fence. Before you have the skill to build stone hedge you should not have anything valuable stored in crates outside to take anyway. Log out with your most valuable stuff, sell all that can be sold for silver and just keep it in your wallet. Then once you get the skill to build a stone hedge, the first thing you should do is surround yourself with one.